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6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore
right i am making my 1st ever hardhouse tune on fruity and as it all new to me it's made from raw samples with no tweaking or adjustment at all as i dont know what i'm doing. anyway the over all sound of the track seem very raw,dirty and basicly shite sounding. any pointers on how i can 'clean up' the sounds and make it sound like a semi decent tune? thanks king
6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore
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Practice.

ahh right, how silly of me- i never thought of that! dunce
6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting
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Practice.

ahh right, how silly of me- i never thought of that! dunce


Hahahaha! laughing

Just how simply have you done it Mark?? Have you sent each sound to it's own mixer channel or have you not got that far yet?? 

 

6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore
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Practice.

ahh right, how silly of me- i never thought of that! dunce


Hahahaha! laughing

Just how simply have you done it Mark?? Have you sent each sound to it's own mixer channel or have you not got that far yet?? 

 


mixer channel? i just choose samples and put them in the sequencer and make my patter then put each pattern on the grid like. I still dont know how to structure the track eg how many beats before the bass kick in on a average hardhouse track? i know things change every 64 beats but thats it. any help guys?
6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore

is it:

kick 64 beats

kick+hat for the next 64 beats

kick,hat,snare and bass for the next 64

ect ect???

6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting

Right... where do i start...laughing.....

...tell you what wait til later on and i'll throw up some screen shots that will help you get into fx, thats when your tunes start sounding better thumbsupthumbsupthumbsup

Do you understand the basics of things like delay, reverb, compression, panning etc???

6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore
to be honest mate no i dont laughing can you help with the track structure mate, eg how many beats before the bass kicks in ect. ta thumbsup
6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting

No worries dude!! We'll start off with basics then!! I'll take some screen dumps later on and post them up thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

 

6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore
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No worries dude!! We'll start off with basics then!! I'll take some screen dumps later on and post them up thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

 


cool mate nice one thumbsup you on msn at all mate?
6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore
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Not a problem dude biggrin

Muiry2@hotmail.com thumbsupthumbsup


cool mate i got you added but i'd delete your addy or you will get loads of spam.
6 years ago
Kam-Pain
kampain Pic4288 Posts
United KingdomLEEDS
Music Style myspace/skankingkam
In reply to
Practice.

Thats the only cure mate. I'd probably fucked around with 50 odd tunes before they were good enough for a release.
6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting
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Practice.

Thats the only cure mate. I'd probably fucked around with 50 odd tunes before they were good enough for a release.


Yeah thats true, likewise!!

I would of loved a head start when i first got into it all tho, thats why i dont mind helping others out if i can biggrinthumbsupthumbsup  

6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting
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Not a problem dude biggrin

Muiry2@hotmail.com thumbsupthumbsup


cool mate i got you added but i'd delete your addy or you will get loads of spam.

Oh i dont mind dude, i dont use that address for emails, just use it to get on MSN, i have another address for my mail biggrin
6 years ago
Tom Parr
digital69 Pic2621 Posts
United KingdomAtomik Reaction
Music Style Hard House
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Practice.

The guys right mate, sit tight coz its gonna take years before you get a tight sound.thumbsup
6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting

Right as you know most stuff works in blocks of 16 bars (or 64 beats) thumbsup

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I usually build the hats/percussion up for either 2, 3 or 4 of these block then bring th bass in thumbsup

Then after that i usually add a new sound every 8 bars (32 beats) until i've built it up enough to start with the breakdown. This usually a couple of minutes and consists of more hats, percussion, ride, then synths and stabs etc. If you listen to other peoples tunes you can get the general idea of where everything usually enters the tune! But remember there are no rules dude, dont just do what everyone else does... if it sounds good use it thumbsup

Just done a quick plan of roughly how i would start laying out a track, obviously you'll have to set al your sounds up in your piano roll but i'm guessing you know how to work all that, this just shows you where i would bring certain sounds in.................

 

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6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore
ahh nice one mate, now i got a rough idea of how to structure a tune-thanks for that mate thumbsupking
6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting

Once you have got the hang of laying everything out you wanna start looking at the FX panel dude!!

 

Click here......

 

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...and you get the 64 channel mixer....

 

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Now if you go back to your Channel Settings look at the top right corner and there is a function that enables you to send this sound to one of the FX chchannels.

Here I have a kick and i am sending it to FX channel 1......

 

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This now routes the sound into channel 1 of the mixer, and selects it like this.....

 

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Now it is in this channel you can load effects units into it that will change the sound accordingly.

To load an effect unit click here....

 

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...and you will get a drop down list of all your available effects (probably only the fruity ones until you find more)... like this...

 

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All these different effects units will effect the sound in a different way. From personal experrience the best way to learn what each unit does is to go thru them all and listen to how each one changes the sound!

(Can i ask at this point do you have a good set of monitors?? Cos it does really make all the difference here)

To make a kick drum sound professional you will need effects such as EQ, Compression and possibly Reverb depending on what type of kick you want! There is more you could add but just start off with these.

 

Select the Parametric EQ from the list and it will appear like this.....

 

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When this appears start having a mess around with it. You will get to grips with EQ'ing just from playing around here, left hand lower freq, right hand higher, very simple but can make so much difference to a sound thumbsup

Continue to add more effects in this channel like i have done above and mess about with them as much as you can. After a while of doing this you will soon start to learn how to manipulate a sound the way you want it.

Once you have finished with your kick move on to hats, only send these to FX channel 2. In my opinion with sounds like hats and percussion it is often good to pan left and right to widen the sound in the stereo field, if you la yeverything straight down the middle it will become cluttered and wont have much of a stereo effect. In the list of effects units there is pan control's and stereo widners so have a play around with those thumbsup 

Another thing to notice about the mixer is these controls here....

 

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The top set of knobs control how much your chosen effect actually changes your sound, just like turning the effect up and down, not the sound!!

The bottom knob is a built in stereo widner, turn it right and it widens a sound, turn it left and it does the opposite, which makes it mono. I always mono my bass and my kick, sounds better IMO biggrinthumbsup

Hope this is enough to get you going dude, not sure my explanation's are too good but you should get the gist of it biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

If anyone else wants to add anything or tell me i'm wrong in what i'm doing go ahead, i havent got very far so aint really one to be giving much advice, this is just how i do it biggrinthumbsup

6 years ago
Tom Parr
digital69 Pic2621 Posts
United KingdomAtomik Reaction
Music Style Hard House
Big up Robbie 4 that mate, not many people would go to the trouble of showin peeps how to start a track.thumbsup
6 years ago
EGGS BEN EDIT
mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
thread gold, i now have a clue where to startthumbsup
6 years ago
kilby
kilby Pic766 Posts
AustraliaThe Berra
Music Style Breaks/House/Trance/Hard Trance
Thats why i love this board, people are willing to help out others! Big ups to you bro!
6 years ago
Scuba Steve
loadspeed Pic490 Posts
New Zealand
Music Style baby making music
this is an ideal post for the FAQ sections
6 years ago
Pat Glenny
pluce Pic3011 Posts
United KingdomDerby
Music Style Hard
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Practice.
great help you are thumbsdown
6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting

No problem dudes, just hope it helps biggrinthumbsup

 

6 years ago
Dave Owens
Dave Owens Pic1401 Posts
United KingdomThe North West
Music Style Hard House / NRG

Blow me. smile

What was your advice?

6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting
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Blow me. smile

What was your advice?

laughingthumbsup


 

6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore

nice one mate! thanks for taking the time out to do that thumbsup love you love

6 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting
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nice one mate! thanks for taking the time out to do that thumbsup love you love


Hahaha, no worries mate, any problems just ask thumbsup
6 years ago
James Searles
jsearles2003 Pic1913 Posts
EnglandNr Telford / Midlands
Music Style East russian speed bhangra
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Blow me. smile

What was your advice?

 

hahaha, priceless

ya twat

 

laughing

6 years ago
Pat Glenny
pluce Pic3011 Posts
United KingdomDerby
Music Style Hard
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Blow me. smile

What was your advice?

fuck your a prick!
6 years ago
Tom Parr
digital69 Pic2621 Posts
United KingdomAtomik Reaction
Music Style Hard House
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In reply to

Blow me. smile

What was your advice?

fuck your a prick!

get your hand bags out kids its bitch timeyawn
5 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
United KingdomBurlington Underground
Music Style Hard2TekCore
bump for me so i can find it easy innit dunce
5 years ago
Gopal
1936 Posts
New ZealandAuckland
Music Style Doof Doof
Much respect Robbie.  I wish somone had done that for me 4 years ago munted
5 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting
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Much respect Robbie.  I wish somone had done that for me 4 years ago munted


Haha no worries bro!

laughing at Mark

5 years ago
Groovepounder
groovepounde Pic102 Posts
United KingdomBirmingham
Music Style That bloody boom boom music
Bloody hell, i might reinstall fruity & give it a blast, great advice there robbiethumbsup
5 years ago
Djabbey18
djabbey18 Pic174 Posts
United KingdomWest Bromwich (Uk)
Music Style Hard House / Electro House
Fair play rob you deserve a medal for this post must have taken ages. Its nice to see people with the knowledge helping the less knowledgable out. You are the BT GOD for this
5 years ago
Simon Parkes - FrozenUK
sjp Pic8966 Posts
WalesLlanidloes
Music Style Melodic
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right i am making my 1st ever hardhouse tune on fruity and as it all new to me it's made from raw samples with no tweaking or adjustment at all as i dont know what i'm doing. anyway the over all sound of the track seem very raw,dirty and basicly shite sounding. any pointers on how i can 'clean up' the sounds and make it sound like a semi decent tune? thanks king
yep practice - your ears are your judge

Like with a lot of people starting up they try and jump in making their own track which i see as a mistake since they have no idea of what to do with production since they have no reference point to learn from.

as when i wanted to compose and then engineer i got hold of a copy of some favourite tracks and tried to copy them as close as i could by anylising the seperate parts, another skill you can pickup over time.

Then, as soon as i learnt the riffs and got the whole feel right i made it my own by playing around with extra sounds and adjust the arrangement.

The final engineering was done when i ran a commercial track alongside my mix and attempted to get it the same sonically....compression, panning and some light equing.

some things took me longer to learn than master than others, but took me a few years to get compitent with the equipment and how to apply it.

Get to know your tools, learn how to use them, apply them. Some will learn faster than others and excel in certain areas more than others, only time will tell if you are good enough and music composition is for you... others will have given up and took up another hobby.
5 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting
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Fair play rob you deserve a medal for this post must have taken ages. Its nice to see people with the knowledge helping the less knowledgable out. You are the BT GOD for this

Haha cheers mate. It's only the very basics tho it didnt take long. If it helps then i'm glad to be of help thumbsup
5 years ago
Simon Parkes - FrozenUK
sjp Pic8966 Posts
WalesLlanidloes
Music Style Melodic
Helping people out is what this forum is about, nice to see it does the job in the end.

Robbie, nice post, got to say that must have taken up your time! Screen shots like that are a god send to people like me who hate theory, just straight forward how to's.

But, to any wannabie composers, dont try and run before you can walk otherwise you will end up throwing in the towel!

Start off basic, learn the foundations of Computer music, the computer, composition, engineering, mastering and production.

It can be loads of fun when you know how!
5 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting

Yeah exactly Si thats what forum's are for. Dont mind helping as i know it can get frustrating when ur starting out thumbsup

But yeah some wise words there Si. You've definitely got to take it step by step! It's all a big learning curve, i've been on it for a while and i still put myself somewhere near the bottom laughing

5 years ago
Simon Parkes - FrozenUK
sjp Pic8966 Posts
WalesLlanidloes
Music Style Melodic
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Yeah exactly Si thats what forum's are for. Dont mind helping as i know it can get frustrating when ur starting out thumbsup

But yeah some wise words there Si. You've definitely got to take it step by step! It's all a big learning curve, i've been on it for a while and i still put myself somewhere near the bottom laughing

laughing, ye, always learning more each day! Its thanks to PC problems that has helped me the most since no problems = no learn.

Do too much though for some people and they learn nothing and expect everything. But nice to see advice you give used wisely and their productions improve over time with them passing on what they learnt.

I get a lot of help from here from people who even though are beginners in composition, know their stuff on the program at hand thumbsup, as i am still fairly new to Cubase SX3 jumped from VST5.1 i get fustraited too! But when stuck i can come on here and ask.

Peeps may think im being lazy and put off composing again but i have the patience in learning it first to a point of full compitence again so i can switch the gear on and go for it without bumping into fustraiting problems. Nothing is more anti-creative than a halt in production cuz i didnt know how to do something! Its embarassing and fustraiting. After so much time out i still feel a bit rusty around the edges but confident i can get back on track and 'enjoy' composing again.

So im at the bottom too! wink
5 years ago
Daz Wood
dazwood Pic42 Posts
United KingdomBurnley
Music Style Any thing with a beat

cheers robbie thanks a lot

biggrin

5 years ago
Robbie
robbiemuir Pic7799 Posts
EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting
In reply to
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Yeah exactly Si thats what forum's are for. Dont mind helping as i know it can get frustrating when ur starting out thumbsup

But yeah some wise words there Si. You've definitely got to take it step by step! It's all a big learning curve, i've been on it for a while and i still put myself somewhere near the bottom laughing

laughing, ye, always learning more each day! Its thanks to PC problems that has helped me the most since no problems = no learn.

Do too much though for some people and they learn nothing and expect everything. But nice to see advice you give used wisely and their productions improve over time with them passing on what they learnt.

I get a lot of help from here from people who even though are beginners in composition, know their stuff on the program at hand thumbsup, as i am still fairly new to Cubase SX3 jumped from VST5.1 i get fustraited too! But when stuck i can come on here and ask.

Peeps may think im being lazy and put off composing again but i have the patience in learning it first to a point of full compitence again so i can switch the gear on and go for it without bumping into fustraiting problems. Nothing is more anti-creative than a halt in production cuz i didnt know how to do something! Its embarassing and fustraiting. After so much time out i still feel a bit rusty around the edges but confident i can get back on track and 'enjoy' composing again.

So im at the bottom too! wink


Your right there mate you only really get ur hands dirty when things fuck up! It's the best way to learn thumbsupthumbsup

Yeah well ur in the right place for help with the programs, like you said thats the beauty of forums. There always seems to be someone that knows how to do something you dont so thankfully you dont have to look for too long thumbsup

 

5 years ago
Simon Parkes - FrozenUK
sjp Pic8966 Posts
WalesLlanidloes
Music Style Melodic
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to

Yeah exactly Si thats what forum's are for. Dont mind helping as i know it can get frustrating when ur starting out thumbsup

But yeah some wise words there Si. You've definitely got to take it step by step! It's all a big learning curve, i've been on it for a while and i still put myself somewhere near the bottom laughing

laughing, ye, always learning more each day! Its thanks to PC problems that has helped me the most since no problems = no learn.

Do too much though for some people and they learn nothing and expect everything. But nice to see advice you give used wisely and their productions improve over time with them passing on what they learnt.

I get a lot of help from here from people who even though are beginners in composition, know their stuff on the program at hand thumbsup, as i am still fairly new to Cubase SX3 jumped from VST5.1 i get fustraited too! But when stuck i can come on here and ask.

Peeps may think im being lazy and put off composing again but i have the patience in learning it first to a point of full compitence again so i can switch the gear on and go for it without bumping into fustraiting problems. Nothing is more anti-creative than a halt in production cuz i didnt know how to do something! Its embarassing and fustraiting. After so much time out i still feel a bit rusty around the edges but confident i can get back on track and 'enjoy' composing again.

So im at the bottom too! wink


Your right there mate you only really get ur hands dirty when things fuck up! It's the best way to learn thumbsupthumbsup

Yeah well ur in the right place for help with the programs, like you said thats the beauty of forums. There always seems to be someone that knows how to do something you dont so thankfully you dont have to look for too long thumbsup

 

aye! too right! I bow down to the internet & forums like this. thumbsup
5 years ago
James Lee
jameslee Pic785 Posts
New ZealandAuckland
Music Style (e) for electro
In reply to
In reply to
Practice.
great help you are thumbsdown


Its so true tho!

 

Listening to tunes other ppl have made is also a big one.

5 years ago
w_ashley
4 Posts
 post up ur flp and I'll do an edit , of course my opinion is just my opinion. really just screw around with the sound until you have something you like

Post edited by owner 3/21/2007 7:28:39 AM
5 years ago
Deany-Cock
randomdude Pic1434 Posts
Australiabrisbane
Music Style hard
lazy bump. thanks robbie. your a champ.thumbsup
5 years ago
MMCKEE703
MMCKEE703 Pic72 Posts
Northern IrelandLOYAL BELFAST
Music Style HARD
Best help ive seen yet. Saved me ages. Wasnt even my question but glad of the help. Thanks matey.
5 years ago
tmcg.
disekt Pic4900 Posts
New ZealandBerlin/AKL
Music Style hi-tech soul
robbie, ur a champ...

good stuff

pity i dont use fruity eh..

hahahha

and dave.... BAHAHAHAHAHAlaughinglaughinglaughing



Post edited by owner 20/04/2007 13:26:23
5 years ago
JasonRoberts
jasonroberts Pic1943 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style HaRdHouSe/HaRdTranCe
Top marks to you Robbie for putting the effort in and helping others out mate smilethumbsup
5 years ago
rY
tommyb Pic2909 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style House

Robbie is as sound as a pound is roundthumbsup

 

Good on ya kidthumbsup

5 years ago
Djbigcal
29 Posts
EnglandCanterbury
Music Style Hard house/Nrg
Cheers robbie mate, god now's how many beginners you have helped with this demo.

maybe simple but its just a kick in the rite direction thats needed, rest is left to our need 4 banging tunes

also cheers D4RK M4RK 4 askin the question, i no i wouldn't av.

Also i been reading many threads recently about how bad the scene is getting with iligit tunes and stuff, but this shows that it ain't all bad.
nice one mate
3 months ago
deanossa
89 Posts
only just found this but its been really helpful to me as a beginner. still struggling to get some decent hihat, percussion sounds but what a massive help. big thank you robbie, top geeza!

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