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6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
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right i am making my 1st ever hardhouse tune on fruity and as it all new to me it's made from raw samples with no tweaking or adjustment at all as i dont know what i'm doing. anyway the over all sound of the track seem very raw,dirty and basicly shite sounding. any pointers on how i can 'clean up' the sounds and make it sound like a semi decent tune? thanks king
6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
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ahh right, how silly of me- i never thought of that! dunce
6 years ago
Robbie
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ahh right, how silly of me- i never thought of that! dunce


Hahahaha! laughing

Just how simply have you done it Mark?? Have you sent each sound to it's own mixer channel or have you not got that far yet?? 

 

6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
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ahh right, how silly of me- i never thought of that! dunce


Hahahaha! laughing

Just how simply have you done it Mark?? Have you sent each sound to it's own mixer channel or have you not got that far yet?? 

 


mixer channel? i just choose samples and put them in the sequencer and make my patter then put each pattern on the grid like. I still dont know how to structure the track eg how many beats before the bass kick in on a average hardhouse track? i know things change every 64 beats but thats it. any help guys?
6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
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is it:

kick 64 beats

kick+hat for the next 64 beats

kick,hat,snare and bass for the next 64

ect ect???

6 years ago
Robbie
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Right... where do i start...laughing.....

...tell you what wait til later on and i'll throw up some screen shots that will help you get into fx, thats when your tunes start sounding better thumbsupthumbsupthumbsup

Do you understand the basics of things like delay, reverb, compression, panning etc???

6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
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to be honest mate no i dont laughing can you help with the track structure mate, eg how many beats before the bass kicks in ect. ta thumbsup
6 years ago
Robbie
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No worries dude!! We'll start off with basics then!! I'll take some screen dumps later on and post them up thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

 

6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
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No worries dude!! We'll start off with basics then!! I'll take some screen dumps later on and post them up thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

 


cool mate nice one thumbsup you on msn at all mate?
6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
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Not a problem dude biggrin

Muiry2@hotmail.com thumbsupthumbsup


cool mate i got you added but i'd delete your addy or you will get loads of spam.
6 years ago
Kam-Pain
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Thats the only cure mate. I'd probably fucked around with 50 odd tunes before they were good enough for a release.
6 years ago
Robbie
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Thats the only cure mate. I'd probably fucked around with 50 odd tunes before they were good enough for a release.


Yeah thats true, likewise!!

I would of loved a head start when i first got into it all tho, thats why i dont mind helping others out if i can biggrinthumbsupthumbsup  

6 years ago
Robbie
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Not a problem dude biggrin

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cool mate i got you added but i'd delete your addy or you will get loads of spam.

Oh i dont mind dude, i dont use that address for emails, just use it to get on MSN, i have another address for my mail biggrin
6 years ago
Tom Parr
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United KingdomAtomik Reaction
Music Style Hard House
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The guys right mate, sit tight coz its gonna take years before you get a tight sound.thumbsup
6 years ago
Robbie
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Right as you know most stuff works in blocks of 16 bars (or 64 beats) thumbsup

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I usually build the hats/percussion up for either 2, 3 or 4 of these block then bring th bass in thumbsup

Then after that i usually add a new sound every 8 bars (32 beats) until i've built it up enough to start with the breakdown. This usually a couple of minutes and consists of more hats, percussion, ride, then synths and stabs etc. If you listen to other peoples tunes you can get the general idea of where everything usually enters the tune! But remember there are no rules dude, dont just do what everyone else does... if it sounds good use it thumbsup

Just done a quick plan of roughly how i would start laying out a track, obviously you'll have to set al your sounds up in your piano roll but i'm guessing you know how to work all that, this just shows you where i would bring certain sounds in.................

 

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6 years ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
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United KingdomBurlington Underground
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ahh nice one mate, now i got a rough idea of how to structure a tune-thanks for that mate thumbsupking
6 years ago
Robbie
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EnglandCumbria
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Once you have got the hang of laying everything out you wanna start looking at the FX panel dude!!

 

Click here......

 

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...and you get the 64 channel mixer....

 

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Now if you go back to your Channel Settings look at the top right corner and there is a function that enables you to send this sound to one of the FX chchannels.

Here I have a kick and i am sending it to FX channel 1......

 

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This now routes the sound into channel 1 of the mixer, and selects it like this.....

 

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Now it is in this channel you can load effects units into it that will change the sound accordingly.

To load an effect unit click here....

 

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...and you will get a drop down list of all your available effects (probably only the fruity ones until you find more)... like this...

 

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All these different effects units will effect the sound in a different way. From personal experrience the best way to learn what each unit does is to go thru them all and listen to how each one changes the sound!

(Can i ask at this point do you have a good set of monitors?? Cos it does really make all the difference here)

To make a kick drum sound professional you will need effects such as EQ, Compression and possibly Reverb depending on what type of kick you want! There is more you could add but just start off with these.

 

Select the Parametric EQ from the list and it will appear like this.....

 

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When this appears start having a mess around with it. You will get to grips with EQ'ing just from playing around here, left hand lower freq, right hand higher, very simple but can make so much difference to a sound thumbsup

Continue to add more effects in this channel like i have done above and mess about with them as much as you can. After a while of doing this you will soon start to learn how to manipulate a sound the way you want it.

Once you have finished with your kick move on to hats, only send these to FX channel 2. In my opinion with sounds like hats and percussion it is often good to pan left and right to widen the sound in the stereo field, if you la yeverything straight down the middle it will become cluttered and wont have much of a stereo effect. In the list of effects units there is pan control's and stereo widners so have a play around with those thumbsup 

Another thing to notice about the mixer is these controls here....

 

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The top set of knobs control how much your chosen effect actually changes your sound, just like turning the effect up and down, not the sound!!

The bottom knob is a built in stereo widner, turn it right and it widens a sound, turn it left and it does the opposite, which makes it mono. I always mono my bass and my kick, sounds better IMO biggrinthumbsup

Hope this is enough to get you going dude, not sure my explanation's are too good but you should get the gist of it biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

If anyone else wants to add anything or tell me i'm wrong in what i'm doing go ahead, i havent got very far so aint really one to be giving much advice, this is just how i do it biggrinthumbsup

6 years ago
Tom Parr
digital69 Pic2621 Posts
United KingdomAtomik Reaction
Music Style Hard House
Big up Robbie 4 that mate, not many people would go to the trouble of showin peeps how to start a track.thumbsup
6 years ago
EGGS BEN EDIT
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thread gold, i now have a clue where to startthumbsup
6 years ago
kilby
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Thats why i love this board, people are willing to help out others! Big ups to you bro!
6 years ago
Scuba Steve
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Music Style baby making music
this is an ideal post for the FAQ sections
6 years ago
Pat Glenny
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great help you are thumbsdown
6 years ago
Robbie
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EnglandCumbria
Music Style Hard Uplifting

No problem dudes, just hope it helps biggrinthumbsup

 

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