worst glazby tunes

 
3 months ago
Tom Parr
PARRITY Pic846 Posts
United KingdomLancashire
Music Style HARDHOUSE
Has to be said but what on earth was he thinking when it came to remixing racing rats, awful awful vocal and track laughing

Apart from that I love all his other work smile
3 months ago
Vally
44 Posts
United KingdomLiverpool Village
Music Style hard house
Cue getting abused but i never liked Kick It or Hostile. Love all the others.
3 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3341 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
In reply to
Cue getting abused but i never liked Kick It or Hostile. Love all the others.
I don't like Hostile either thumbsup
3 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3013 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
wasnt keen on most of his early, pre maddox tracks, thought the racing rats remix was wicked!
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
9 beats to the bar, the tumbler, the dj the music, let me go, acid disco, the thrasher, alien gate scandal. Cant say im a fan of Racing Rats either, or the new tunefrown

Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 12:16:19
3 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3341 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
Not heard the new one yet.  How come you don't like it Gaz?

TBH I thought it'd be saved for Storm rather than a sample put up before.
3 months ago
Nogger
nogger Pic2952 Posts
EnglandBarnsley, S. Yorks
Music Style HH/Nrg/Techno
Original mix of Here We Go

Karim remix is wicked though!
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Because it sounds the same as 90% of the tunes he's done in the past 5 years. Maybe im just being picky, just sounds the same as the others, same synth, pattern etc just arranged a bit different. Was expecting fireworks.
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
Original mix of Here We Go

Karim remix is wicked though!

thumbsup
3 months ago
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mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
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Cue getting abused but i never liked Kick It or Hostile. Love all the others.
I don't like Hostile either thumbsup
i don't like those. there are some i like of course, he's not a bad producer but a lot of the earlier stuff sounded too template-y to me and it turned me off checking out a lot of the later stuff.
3 months ago
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mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
In reply to
Original mix of Here We Go

Karim remix is wicked though!
i know most people hate this tune but i didn't. bassline is pure beef. did buy for the karim mix though as it has more energy.
3 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3341 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
There's loads I do like but Hostile isn't one of them thumbsup

Tortured is my fave of the lot love
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
There's loads I do like but Hostile isn't one of them thumbsup

Tortured is my fave of the lot love

Tortured is amazing, the remix is better though 10/10
3 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24926 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
saying you don't like hostile is blasphemy on here and you should hand your heads in shame arguetosseruzithumbsdown
3 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24926 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
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9 beats to the bar, the tumbler, the dj the music, acid gate scandal.

same on those, never did much for me. also his weirdo - beyond remix & hocus pocus rmx.

apart from that loved pretty much all his tunes...he was one of the most consistent producers as was vicious circle for top notch tunes.

3 months ago
John Reilly
jpr Pic514 Posts
IrelandMullingar
Music Style Hardhouse
Loved all his early stuff that was engineered by ingo, Rough n tough, kick it, the thumpler remix(One of my favourites) etc. never liked the direction his sound went from about 2003

Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 12:59:28
3 months ago
Dan R
kumatozz Pic681 Posts
Russian.s.k.
Music Style Hard House/Nu NRG/Techno


Post edited by owner 22.02.2012 13:39:22
3 months ago
Dan R
kumatozz Pic681 Posts
Russian.s.k.
Music Style Hard House/Nu NRG/Techno
In reply to
In reply to
Original mix of Here We Go

Karim remix is wicked though!
i know most people hate this tune but i didn't. bassline is pure beef. did buy for the karim mix though as it has more energy.
same here, always liked the original thumbsup
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
Original mix of Here We Go

Karim remix is wicked though!

+1 thumbsup
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
In reply to
9 beats to the bar, the tumbler, the dj the music, acid gate scandal.

same on those, never did much for me. also his weirdo - beyond remix & hocus pocus rmx.

apart from that loved pretty much all his tunes...he was one of the most consistent producers as was vicious circle for top notch tunes.


Artistic Director, you mean?  Let's not forget - and I am sorry for bringing it up yet again - Paul Glazby's never produced a tune in his life.

3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
Loved all his early stuff that was engineered by ingo, Rough n tough, kick it, the thumpler remix(One of my favourites) etc. never liked the direction his sound went from about 2003

When Paul Maddox made all of his tracks thumbsup
3 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24926 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
In reply toArtistic Director, you mean?  Let's not forget - and I am sorry for bringing it up yet again - Paul Glazby's never produced a tune in his life.

who gives a fuck what you wana call it. I'm sure there's another thread with the engineer/producer/artist bla bla bollox in it...drag one them up if you wana bang on about that crap.

3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
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uhoh

Roll your eyes all you want; you know I speak the truth thumbsup
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Oh fuck off Andy. Poluting another post yet again with your shite.
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
No worries.  You guys all carry on wanking over how good a producer Paul Glazby is  It doesn't bother me in the slightest thumbsuplaughing   
3 months ago
helipad
9498 Posts
United Kingdom
In reply to
No worries.  You guys all carry on wanking over how good a producer Paul Glazby is  It doesn't bother me in the slightest thumbsuplaughing   

Film producers don't operate the cameras. 
3 months ago
helipad
9498 Posts
United Kingdom
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In reply to
Loved all his early stuff that was engineered by ingo, Rough n tough, kick it, the thumpler remix(One of my favourites) etc. never liked the direction his sound went from about 2003

When Paul Maddox made all of his tracks thumbsup

Engineered his tracks
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Course it does, thats why you felt the need to pipe up with that idiotic post. Just because you have the software at home doesnt mean you can slate every other producer who hasnt. Get a grip you sad man. When you have made something worth shouting about, then you can pipe up. Its beyond boring. And comes accross very bitter and jelous as you bring this boring argument into any kind of topic on here that you can. We get the hint, we cant all be as good  you in anything you dothumbsup

Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 14:30:45
3 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24926 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
In reply to
No worries.  You guys all carry on wanking over how good a producer Paul Glazby is  It doesn't bother me in the slightest thumbsuplaughing   

glazby may have used engineers but he certainly had his own style and that's that (same as Karim).

 

3 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3013 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Original mix of Here We Go

Karim remix is wicked though!
i know most people hate this tune but i didn't. bassline is pure beef. did buy for the karim mix though as it has more energy.
same here, always liked the original thumbsup
same here, could of done with a remaster/rework tho
3 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3013 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
In reply to
Because it sounds the same as 90% of the tunes he's done in the past 5 years. Maybe im just being picky, just sounds the same as the others, same synth, pattern etc just arranged a bit different. Was expecting fireworks.
i love his sound in the last 5 years, but i have to agree, for his last ever solo track i was expecting something really special.
I mean its a nice track but it  doesnt say goodbye for me
3 months ago
Max
madmax Pic22725 Posts
EnglandBangkok
Music Style Hard Disco House
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In reply to
No worries.  You guys all carry on wanking over how good a producer Paul Glazby is  It doesn't bother me in the slightest thumbsuplaughing   

glazby may have used engineers but he certainly had his own style and that's that (same as Karim).

 


Only to a certain extent. Listen to the Glazby remix of Cyberdrive – Ready To Rock, and tell me me you cant hear Colin Baratt all over it.

Sample below:
http://tinyurl.com/7zylo2j


Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 14:56:00
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
Course it does, thats why you felt the need to pipe up with that idiotic post. Just because you have the software at home doesnt mean you can slate every other producer who hasnt. Get a grip you sad man. When you have made something worth shouting about, then you can pipe up. Its beyond boring. And comes accross very bitter and jelous as you bring this boring argument into any kind of topic on here that you can. We get the hint, we cant all be as good  you in anything you dothumbsup

I don't have any music production software, Gary, as I don't produce any electronic music thumbsup
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
In reply to
Course it does, thats why you felt the need to pipe up with that idiotic post. Just because you have the software at home doesnt mean you can slate every other producer who hasnt. Get a grip you sad man. When you have made something worth shouting about, then you can pipe up. Its beyond boring. And comes accross very bitter and jelous as you bring this boring argument into any kind of topic on here that you can. We get the hint, we cant all be as good  you in anything you dothumbsup

I don't have any music production software, Gary, as I don't produce any electronic music thumbsup

Gary?? So why be so opinionated so often over something petty?? Noboday cares.
3 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3341 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
laughing Gary Gibson

Andrew, please bore off with this. Ta thumbsup
3 months ago
Devo
devo Pic2265 Posts
IrelandDublin
Music Style Devstep
Andy, do you think this engineering lark is a new thing in dance music? Have you always felt so strongly about it?
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
My electronic musical 'heroes' - for want of a better phrase - make their own music - Simon Posford, System 7, Eat Static, Orbital, The Orb, Underworld, Leftfield etc...

They don't rely on using engineers to make their music for them.  I would be disgusted if I was to learn that any of them used engineers to make stuff which they then subsequently put their name to thumbsup

3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
What a wally. The end.

Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 15:01:36
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Course it does, thats why you felt the need to pipe up with that idiotic post. Just because you have the software at home doesnt mean you can slate every other producer who hasnt. Get a grip you sad man. When you have made something worth shouting about, then you can pipe up. Its beyond boring. And comes accross very bitter and jelous as you bring this boring argument into any kind of topic on here that you can. We get the hint, we cant all be as good  you in anything you dothumbsup

I don't have any music production software, Gary, as I don't produce any electronic music thumbsup

Gary?? So why be so opinionated so often over something petty?? Noboday cares.

I assumed Gaz was short for Gary, no?

You may think it petty but, for me, it's a farce to call yourself the producer of a piece of electronic music without having actually produced anything thumbsup


3 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3341 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
Now you've shared that with us - does it mean you're going to shut up about it? idea


3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Im not bothered what you think, ive read it on here from you at least 5 times. Its the fact you've turned another thread into 'the Andy's opinions show' we already knew your views. Thats whats bloody petty. Strat your own thread...

Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 15:06:40
3 months ago
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mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
short for Gazby by the look of these threads
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
short for Gazby by the look of these threads

haha oh im sorry 1 of my hero's from hard house is packing in. Il be quiet now. Just for you xxxx
3 months ago
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mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
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In reply to
short for Gazby by the look of these threads

haha oh im sorry 1 of my hero's from hard house is packing in. Il be quiet now. Just for you xxxx
it was a joke laughing

it's clear there's a big fanbase
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
short for Gazby by the look of these threads

haha oh im sorry 1 of my hero's from hard house is packing in. Il be quiet now. Just for you xxxx
it was a joke laughing

it's clear there's a big fanbase

so was mine matelaughing

Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 15:10:29
3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
fwiw, the Producer is the person who decides how the track should sound  - not the person that pushes the buttons (that's the engineer). 

The producer is not necessarily the writer either.

A good example is New Order 'Confusion' produced by Arthur Baker... but written and performed by New Order. thumbsup


3 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3341 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
Andy, are you going to tell Paul he's wrong? laughing
3 months ago
Max
madmax Pic22725 Posts
EnglandBangkok
Music Style Hard Disco House
In reply to
In reply to

I assumed Gaz was short for Gary, no?

You may think it petty but, for me, it's a farce to call yourself the producer of a piece of electronic music without having actually produced anything thumbsup



A producer in music can often be the person who creatively guides or directs the process of making a record, like a director would a movie.

Edit, or see Elasticmans reply above.

Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 15:30:47
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
What a wally. The end.

I'll continue to think what I think.  You can, of course, continue to think what you think thumbsup 

If it upsets you so much - which it patently does - I'll refrain from posting my thoughts on this subject again thumbsup

3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
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Andy, are you going to tell Paul he's wrong? laughing

Not in the slightest thumbsup

Paul - on the records which your name is on as the producer (many of which I own, not that that makes any difference), did you engineer them yourself?

3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
My electronic musical 'heroes' - for want of a better phrase - make their own music - Simon Posford, System 7, Eat Static, Orbital, The Orb, Underworld, Leftfield etc...

They don't rely on using engineers to make their music for them.  I would be disgusted if I was to learn that any of them used engineers to make stuff which they then subsequently put their name to thumbsup


Last post, promise! laughing

Does no-one on here understand where my post above is coming from?

3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
As far as I can remember, I engineered everything I worked on apart from a couple of Racetrax releases with Sterling Moss and some of the Trauma collabs which I did with Paul King (a couple of which were finally mixed down at my place), plus the most recent (Red Bush) which was engineered by Mr Owens and mixed by Mr King.

Just to confuse matters I wrote (as in riffs etc) a lot of tracks that I'm listed as 'engineering' and also not been credited for a whole load more, lol


3 months ago
Tom Parr
PARRITY Pic846 Posts
United KingdomLancashire
Music Style HARDHOUSE
I think its plain to see paul glazby has a very distinctive sound which sounds like no other.

Bringing up the old bullshit argument about who produced what would be viable if he didn't have his own sound but he does, which means he has without doubt had a massive amount of input in the tracks he's made.

All of his tracks always always have that 'Glazby sound' thumbsup
3 months ago
Tom Parr
PARRITY Pic846 Posts
United KingdomLancashire
Music Style HARDHOUSE
oh and that wasn't aimed at your post paul
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
As far as I can remember, I engineered everything I worked on apart from a couple of Racetrax releases with Sterling Moss and some of the Trauma collabs which I did with Paul King (a couple of which were finally mixed down at my place), plus the most recent (Red Bush) which was engineered by Mr Owens and mixed by Mr King.

Just to confuse matters I wrote (as in riffs etc) a lot of tracks that I'm listed as 'engineering' and also not been credited for a whole load more, lol



Cool, so on the vast majority of tracks which have you (or whatever guise you were in at the time) as the producer, you were the engineer actually responsible for making the sounds?

You all obviously disagree with me on this, but - on this basis - I personally respect you as a musician a FUCK LOAD more than Paul Glazby who, irrespective of the quality of the tunes he released or however much I love them, did not have the same level of input into his tracks as you did thumbsup

3 months ago
Tom Parr
PARRITY Pic846 Posts
United KingdomLancashire
Music Style HARDHOUSE
In reply to
In reply to
As far as I can remember, I engineered everything I worked on apart from a couple of Racetrax releases with Sterling Moss and some of the Trauma collabs which I did with Paul King (a couple of which were finally mixed down at my place), plus the most recent (Red Bush) which was engineered by Mr Owens and mixed by Mr King.

Just to confuse matters I wrote (as in riffs etc) a lot of tracks that I'm listed as 'engineering' and also not been credited for a whole load more, lol



Cool, so on the vast majority of tracks which have you (or whatever guise you were in at the time) as the producer, you were the engineer actually responsible for making the sounds?

You all obviously disagree with me on this, but - on this basis - I personally respect you as a musician a FUCK LOAD more than Paul Glazby who, irrespective of the quality of the tunes he released or however much I love them, did not have the same level of input into his tracks as you did thumbsup


To the first question yes, I engineer/ produce whatever you want to call it all my own music.

I disagree on the 'same level of input' bit as someone could have the same level of input as me its just I have to lay that input out into the tracks etc. My whole point is yeah some people clearly just sit there and let the engineer do all the work but I really dont think this is the case with glazby. You can't make tune after tune and get the same sound with engineers unless you have a huge amount of input.
3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
whenever I did a track with him I would have his sound in mind at all times.

Same goes for anyone else I work with, so the stuff I did with Andy Farley doesn't sound like the tracks I did with Ian M, Lashes, Hyperlogic etc. or my own stuff like the Untidy Dubs. There would be no point making it all sound the same.
3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to
In reply to
As far as I can remember, I engineered everything I worked on apart from a couple of Racetrax releases with Sterling Moss and some of the Trauma collabs which I did with Paul King (a couple of which were finally mixed down at my place), plus the most recent (Red Bush) which was engineered by Mr Owens and mixed by Mr King.

Just to confuse matters I wrote (as in riffs etc) a lot of tracks that I'm listed as 'engineering' and also not been credited for a whole load more, lol



Cool, so on the vast majority of tracks which have you (or whatever guise you were in at the time) as the producer, you were the engineer actually responsible for making the sounds?

You all obviously disagree with me on this, but - on this basis - I personally respect you as a musician a FUCK LOAD more than Paul Glazby who, irrespective of the quality of the tunes he released or however much I love them, did not have the same level of input into his tracks as you did thumbsup


haha, thanks.

Yeah, I programmed the sounds, played the riffs, drums, did the mixdown etc.

It must be said though, that the tracks I co-produced/engineered (or whatever) would not have come out the same (or at all) if the other person hadn't been in the room so there is no doubt that they had an input, albeit to varying degrees. thumbsup


3 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15487 Posts
United Kingdom
Andy just can't relate to someone creating their own music without an engineer, in his eyes it's not credible. In some instances I think most would agree however, and this a big however, there are many artistic people with a natural feel for the creative arts yet aren't technically skilled with an instrument etc but can verbally direct their vision until it is reached.  It may take longer, it may need time to build a relationship with an engineer and building their distinct sound to make it work. 

Sometimes the person who has learnt as a musician does not always prove to be the most gifted musically.   
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
As far as I can remember, I engineered everything I worked on apart from a couple of Racetrax releases with Sterling Moss and some of the Trauma collabs which I did with Paul King (a couple of which were finally mixed down at my place), plus the most recent (Red Bush) which was engineered by Mr Owens and mixed by Mr King.

Just to confuse matters I wrote (as in riffs etc) a lot of tracks that I'm listed as 'engineering' and also not been credited for a whole load more, lol



Cool, so on the vast majority of tracks which have you (or whatever guise you were in at the time) as the producer, you were the engineer actually responsible for making the sounds?

You all obviously disagree with me on this, but - on this basis - I personally respect you as a musician a FUCK LOAD more than Paul Glazby who, irrespective of the quality of the tunes he released or however much I love them, did not have the same level of input into his tracks as you did thumbsup


To the first question yes, I engineer/ produce whatever you want to call it all my own music.

I disagree on the 'same level of input' bit as someone could have the same level of input as me its just I have to lay that input out into the tracks etc. My whole point is yeah some people clearly just sit there and let the engineer do all the work but I really dont think this is the case with glazby. You can't make tune after tune and get the same sound with engineers unless you have a huge amount of input.

TBF, I wasn't asking you lol laughing

Still, credit where credit's due, you also fall into the same camp as Paul.  I don't know many of your tracks but fair play thumbsup 

I've said it many, many times on here and have been been shot down each time, but I'll say it again; if there were more people like you and Paul - making your own stuff and not relying on an engineer to actually produce the sounds you want to make - there would be a far more diverse nature to the music we all love thumbsup

3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
As far as I can remember, I engineered everything I worked on apart from a couple of Racetrax releases with Sterling Moss and some of the Trauma collabs which I did with Paul King (a couple of which were finally mixed down at my place), plus the most recent (Red Bush) which was engineered by Mr Owens and mixed by Mr King.

Just to confuse matters I wrote (as in riffs etc) a lot of tracks that I'm listed as 'engineering' and also not been credited for a whole load more, lol



Cool, so on the vast majority of tracks which have you (or whatever guise you were in at the time) as the producer, you were the engineer actually responsible for making the sounds?

You all obviously disagree with me on this, but - on this basis - I personally respect you as a musician a FUCK LOAD more than Paul Glazby who, irrespective of the quality of the tunes he released or however much I love them, did not have the same level of input into his tracks as you did thumbsup


haha, thanks.

Yeah, I programmed the sounds, played the riffs, drums, did the mixdown etc.

It must be said though, that the tracks I co-produced/engineered (or whatever) would not have come out the same (or at all) if the other person hadn't been in the room so there is no doubt that they had an input, albeit to varying degrees. thumbsup



TBF, I'm not suggesting otherwise thumbsup

3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to
Andy just can't relate to someone creating their own music without an engineer, in his eyes it's not credible. In some instances I think most would agree however, and this a big however, there are many artistic people with a natural feel for the creative arts yet aren't technically skilled with an instrument etc but can verbally direct their vision until it is reached.  It may take longer, it may need time to build a relationship with an engineer and building their distinct sound to make it work. 

Sometimes the person who has learnt as a musician does not always prove to be the most gifted musically.   

That's the key. The more you work with someone the more in tune with their ideas you will be and the easier it is to translate ideas into music.

The best music has to start with a creative thought, not a button press otherwise it will be just another pointless well engineered studio lesson/template trackthumbsdown

Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 16:50:59
3 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15487 Posts
United Kingdom
I'd agree with that Paul. I think the development aspect can't be achieved with a one session visit for the same reasons. 
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
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In reply to
Andy just can't relate to someone creating their own music without an engineer, in his eyes it's not credible. In some instances I think most would agree however, and this a big however, there are many artistic people with a natural feel for the creative arts yet aren't technically skilled with an instrument etc but can verbally direct their vision until it is reached.  It may take longer, it may need time to build a relationship with an engineer and building their distinct sound to make it work. 

Sometimes the person who has learnt as a musician does not always prove to be the most gifted musically.   

It all comes down to my previous post about the electronic music artists I have always looked up to.  If I found out tomorrow that (for example) Steve and Miquette from System 7 didn't do their own engineering, or that the Hartnoll brothers paid someone else to engineer all their tracks, I would personally think far less of them as musicians.  And I'm not going to apologise for that thumbsup 

In the instance you've described above, Jay, I feel that the onus would be on that person to practise their fucking arse off and learn how to do it themselves, regardless of how much hard work it may be.  The musical results would be more personal to them and would have been constructed with sounds that they've made themselves; not the engineer's bank of presets.

I honestly don't understand why - seemingly - I am completely alone in thinking that this would be a GOOD thing for the scene?
    
3 months ago
Devo
devo Pic2265 Posts
IrelandDublin
Music Style Devstep
In reply to
In reply to
Andy just can't relate to someone creating their own music without an engineer, in his eyes it's not credible. In some instances I think most would agree however, and this a big however, there are many artistic people with a natural feel for the creative arts yet aren't technically skilled with an instrument etc but can verbally direct their vision until it is reached.  It may take longer, it may need time to build a relationship with an engineer and building their distinct sound to make it work. 

Sometimes the person who has learnt as a musician does not always prove to be the most gifted musically.   

It all comes down to my previous post about the electronic music artists I have always looked up to.  If I found out tomorrow that (for example) Steve and Miquette from System 7 didn't do their own engineering, or that the Hartnoll brothers paid someone else to engineer all their tracks, I would personally think far less of them as musicians.  And I'm not going to apologise for that thumbsup 

In the instance you've described above, Jay, I feel that the onus would be on that person to practise their fucking arse off and learn how to do it themselves, regardless of how much hard work it may be.  The musical results would be more personal to them and would have been constructed with sounds that they've made themselves; not the engineer's bank of presets.

I honestly don't understand why - seemingly - I am completely alone in thinking that this would be a GOOD thing for the scene?
    

The tracks would still be the same though. Just enjoy music for what it is.
3 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15487 Posts
United Kingdom
I don't think you're necessarily on your own with your view, it's just you cannot base it as general census that person A is less talented than person B in the same situation. You'll always get those, like Paul said,  utilising a generic template/sounds used by everyone else who enters the same studio and another who may insist on having their own building their own unique set. Timing constraints, you won't get that on a one off visit unless prepared. 

This comes to mind

 

  
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Andy just can't relate to someone creating their own music without an engineer, in his eyes it's not credible. In some instances I think most would agree however, and this a big however, there are many artistic people with a natural feel for the creative arts yet aren't technically skilled with an instrument etc but can verbally direct their vision until it is reached.  It may take longer, it may need time to build a relationship with an engineer and building their distinct sound to make it work. 

Sometimes the person who has learnt as a musician does not always prove to be the most gifted musically.   

It all comes down to my previous post about the electronic music artists I have always looked up to.  If I found out tomorrow that (for example) Steve and Miquette from System 7 didn't do their own engineering, or that the Hartnoll brothers paid someone else to engineer all their tracks, I would personally think far less of them as musicians.  And I'm not going to apologise for that thumbsup 

In the instance you've described above, Jay, I feel that the onus would be on that person to practise their fucking arse off and learn how to do it themselves, regardless of how much hard work it may be.  The musical results would be more personal to them and would have been constructed with sounds that they've made themselves; not the engineer's bank of presets.

I honestly don't understand why - seemingly - I am completely alone in thinking that this would be a GOOD thing for the scene?
    

The tracks would still be the same though. Just enjoy music for what it is.

But the manner of the production of the music is important to me thumbsup 

For example, I'll research a classic album whilst listening to it to find out where the recording was done, who the producer was, stuff that happened during the recording process that forced them to rethink the direction of where they were going, weird/rare instruments used on specific tracks, shit like that.

The background and method of how a recording was made is one of many components that contribute to my overall enjoyment of the listening experience thumbsup

The above statement is, admittedly, more applicable to music played with instruments.  Within electronic dance music, it's down to the person twiddling the knobs and generating the actual sounds for me.

You - and, apparently, most people on here - may not care about stuff like this, but I do thumbsup

3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to
I don't think you're necessarily on your own with your view, it's just you cannot base it as general census that person A is less talented than person B in the same situation. You'll always get those, like Paul said,  utilising a generic template/sounds used by everyone else who enters the same studio and another who may insist on having their own building their own unique set. Timing constraints, you won't get that on a one off visit unless prepared. 

This comes to mind

 

  
haha, i nearly mentioned that earlier. love that album

Rob Playford did some crazy work on that.

I bet some head scratching went on in those sessions as they tried to turn ideas in to trackslaughing
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
I think Jay and Paul should open their studios up for everyone for work.
3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to


I honestly don't understand why - seemingly - I am completely alone in thinking that this would be a GOOD thing for the scene?
    

Most of the electronic music I've bought over the years has been made completely by the artist. It was never planned that way (i didn't read the credits before buying), I just like my music varied and that's the way it has turned out.

I think the main exceptions have been Sasha, Beck and Goldie who all have artistic vision and great teams behinds them
3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to
I think Jay and Paul should open their studios up for everyone for work.

lol, the reasons in this thread are exactly why I don't. laughing

Things take time, not £150 a bag of donuts and a 'can you make it like your track 'x''

Post edited by owner 22/02/2012 18:03:51
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
haha what if we come prepped...just make me a bassline like 'Check This Out' and il go fetch us some butties from the shop wink
3 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15487 Posts
United Kingdom
In reply to Paul.  Probably a lot of arguing too laughing Listening to it, some of the stuff would have been frustrating to get down just to even see if it was a good idea or not. The strings on the intro, just wicked. The way they fade up and crossing the previous layer off. Very clever stuff.   



Post edited by owner 2/22/2012 6:11:23 PM
3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to
haha what if we come prepped...just make me a bassline like 'Check This Out' and il go fetch us some butties from the shop wink

hang on, hit me up on skype and I'll play it for you... sound ok? pay the cash into my paypal account and I'll send it overthumbsup
3 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to
Probably a lot of arguing too laughing Listening to it, some of the stuff would have been frustrating to get down just to even see if it was a good idea or not. The strings on the intro, just wicked. The way they fade up and crossing the previous layer off. Very clever stuff.   


all that crazy loop manipulation, filtering and sliding all over just got me hooked, must have taken an age in those days!
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
In reply to
haha what if we come prepped...just make me a bassline like 'Check This Out' and il go fetch us some butties from the shop wink

hang on, hit me up on skype and I'll play it for you... sound ok? pay the cash into my paypal account and I'll send it overthumbsup

laughingthumbsup
3 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15487 Posts
United Kingdom
Must have been tons of DATs being filled with stuff. Good old Akais laughing

Even from when he was at Reinforced (minus Kris Biscuit laughing) , just seemed like those guys were right in there experimenting with the equipment.   
3 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15487 Posts
United Kingdom
In reply to
haha what if we come prepped...just make me a bassline like 'Check This Out' and il go fetch us some butties from the shop wink
I know of someone who actually went to sleep on the studio couch and still left with their new track laughing
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
In reply to
haha what if we come prepped...just make me a bassline like 'Check This Out' and il go fetch us some butties from the shop wink
I know of someone who actually went to sleep on the studio couch and still left with their new track laughing

Ive heard same kind of story, someone got pissed in a certain engineers studio, fell asleep. Not sure about the outcome thoughlaughing
3 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24926 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
just heard glaz's new track...think that would go down as one of his worst for me...shame.
bit of a boring track.

3 months ago
Dolewaller
7708 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Your taxes, my booze.
never thought much to kick it to be honest. never really liked catabolic either. most of his stuff his mint mind. 
3 months ago
John Reilly
jpr Pic514 Posts
IrelandMullingar
Music Style Hardhouse

I can understand where andy is coming from.

When i first found out some of my favourite producers did not produce there own music and used someone else, it made me a bit annoyed, and made me see things different.

But i have no problem with people using engineers ,aslong as they put there own style into the track and dont copy what the engineer produces, which there is too much of these days. I'm sick to death of people going to engineers and just coming back with what the engineer himself produces.

A fine example of a great engineer is paul janes, his uk gold, houserockers etc was him,

When he engineered for for ian m, andy farely etc you could not tell he engineered them, which shows how its ment to be.

3 months ago
Devo
devo Pic2265 Posts
IrelandDublin
Music Style Devstep
In reply to
But the manner of the production of the music is important to me thumbsup 

For example, I'll research a classic album whilst listening to it to find out where the recording was done, who the producer was, stuff that happened during the recording process that forced them to rethink the direction of where they were going, weird/rare instruments used on specific tracks, shit like that.

The background and method of how a recording was made is one of many components that contribute to my overall enjoyment of the listening experience thumbsup

The above statement is, admittedly, more applicable to music played with instruments.  Within electronic dance music, it's down to the person twiddling the knobs and generating the actual sounds for me.

You - and, apparently, most people on here - may not care about stuff like this, but I do thumbsup


Fair enough. 

Gotta feel for you though mate. Sounds like hell to be not able to enjoy music for what it is. You're missing out.
3 months ago
Jacko
gnasher Pic7115 Posts
EnglandMehville
Music Style Deep Field
In reply to

Within electronic dance music, it's down to the person twiddling the knobs and generating the actual sounds for me.


Wow. uhoh

I thought I was anal!
3 months ago
Dolewaller
7708 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Your taxes, my booze.
Hard House is so bitchy, I'm pretty sure nobody used to give a fuck and the whole scene was a coke addled mess... What happened to the good old days eh? laughing

Slap your Lippy on and check your handbags lads, we are off to a fucking Hard House night!

3 months ago
BEARDYWEIRDY
1016 Posts
England
Music Style LondonAcidCity
In reply to
saying you don't like hostile is blasphemy on here and you should hand your heads in shame arguetosseruzithumbsdown

After the hype created by this site over that one tune i must admit i was a little underwhelmed when i heard it.
3 months ago
Goose
goose Pic6085 Posts
EnglandLondon
Music Style Prog, Trance, Tech Trance
Locked Up
That Elasticman Vs Vicious Circle track
are two that stand out that i didnt like very much
3 months ago
Scorchio!
scorchiod Pic6022 Posts
IrelandDublin
Music Style Hard House/NRG
In reply to
In reply to
Cue getting abused but i never liked Kick It or Hostile. Love all the others.
I don't like Hostile either thumbsup

Have to agree, Hostile is one of my most hated HH tracks thumbsdown 
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
Locked Up
That Elasticman Vs Vicious Circle track
are two that stand out that i didnt like very much

thumbsup
3 months ago
Adzr
adzr Pic1281 Posts
EnglandEssex
Music Style Hard NRG
I was never a massive fan of locked up, was all about the remix on that vinyl, such an underrated tune
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Steve Thomas remix is sooooo fucking good. In my top 10-15 tracks ever!!
3 months ago
1337
1337 Pic8908 Posts
New ZealandWellington
Music Style Party Music
Seriously Andy, fuck off. thumbsup
3 months ago
LoadedDice
loadeddice Pic273 Posts
AustraliaPerth
Music Style Hells elevator music
i have to admit i did not care for most of his originals, bass-lines were nice though, but generally his sound reminded me of turds with glow-sticks and whistles, 
some of the stuff he remixed was good,
3 months ago
EGGS BEN EDIT
mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
In reply to
never thought much to kick it to be honest. never really liked catabolic either. most of his stuff his mint mind. 
agreed, awfulthumbsdown
3 months ago
EGGS BEN EDIT
mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
i can see where Andy is coming from with that view - and agree to a fairly large extent. haven#'t stuck my oar in though as it's the wrong place and time. it's not in the spirit of the thread, which is all about paying tribute to one of the scenes major players. interesting to hear Jay's and Paul's (and Tom's) thoughts as established and experienced computermusicwallahs thumbsup
3 months ago
Max
madmax Pic22725 Posts
EnglandBangkok
Music Style Hard Disco House
In reply to
Steve Thomas remix is sooooo fucking good. In my top 10-15 tracks ever!!

Steven Thomas mix is really strange, makes me feel odd.
3 months ago
Steve The Doer
702 Posts
USASan Francisco/East Bay
Music Style Ambient Donkstep Fused Mariachicore
10 hour goodbye set so does this mean he'll get to play about 100-125 tracks?
3 months ago
Jacko
gnasher Pic7115 Posts
EnglandMehville
Music Style Deep Field
In reply to
In reply to
Steve Thomas remix is sooooo fucking good. In my top 10-15 tracks ever!!

Steven Thomas mix is really strange, makes me feel odd.


laughing

 

The aliens are coming!

3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
i can see where Andy is coming from with that view - and agree to a fairly large extent. haven#'t stuck my oar in though as it's the wrong place and time. it's not in the spirit of the thread, which is all about paying tribute to one of the scenes major players. interesting to hear Jay's and Paul's (and Tom's) thoughts as established and experienced computermusicwallahs thumbsup

This thread is about his worst tracks laughing
3 months ago
Random But Raw / Brunitz
randombutraw Pic5758 Posts
EnglandLether
Music Style Stuff That's Nathan Lether
In reply to
In reply to
haha what if we come prepped...just make me a bassline like 'Check This Out' and il go fetch us some butties from the shop wink
I know of someone who actually went to sleep on the studio couch and still left with their new track laughing
yawn
3 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15487 Posts
United Kingdom
In reply to
i can see where Andy is coming from with that view - and agree to a fairly large extent. haven#'t stuck my oar in though as it's the wrong place and time. it's not in the spirit of the thread, which is all about paying tribute to one of the scenes major players. interesting to hear Jay's and Paul's (and Tom's) thoughts as established and experienced computermusicwallahs thumbsup
Yeah if only I hadn't used the word "without" instead of "with" in my original post. Just read it back and is quite a different sentence laughing  

Post edited by owner 2/23/2012 10:38:38 AM
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
In reply to
i can see where Andy is coming from with that view - and agree to a fairly large extent. haven#'t stuck my oar in though as it's the wrong place and time. it's not in the spirit of the thread, which is all about paying tribute to one of the scenes major players. interesting to hear Jay's and Paul's (and Tom's) thoughts as established and experienced computermusicwallahs thumbsup
Yeah if only I hadn't used the word "without" instead of "with" in my original post. Just read it back and is quite a different sentence laughing  

Yeah, I did notice that but knew full well what you meant laughing
3 months ago
Cilla Battersby
daveclarke Pic21833 Posts
United KingdomWorcester
Music Style Techno
so then 1210's or cdj's? is hard house dead?
3 months ago
Max
madmax Pic22725 Posts
EnglandBangkok
Music Style Hard Disco House
In reply to
so then 1210's or cdj's? is hard house dead?

BK - Revolution
3 months ago
Max
madmax Pic22725 Posts
EnglandBangkok
Music Style Hard Disco House
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Steve Thomas remix is sooooo fucking good. In my top 10-15 tracks ever!!

Steven Thomas mix is really strange, makes me feel odd.


laughing

 

The aliens are coming!



Actually i got it wrong, its not that Steve Thomas remix that makes me feel weird. Its his remix of Marc Johnson - Good Enough! I find it a thoroughly odd track.

His remix of locked up is great....although what exactly did he use from the orginal track, just the vocal?!
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Steve Thomas remix is sooooo fucking good. In my top 10-15 tracks ever!!

Steven Thomas mix is really strange, makes me feel odd.


laughing

 

The aliens are coming!



Actually i got it wrong, its not that Steve Thomas remix that makes me feel weird. Its his remix of Marc Johnson - Good Enough! I find it a thoroughly odd track.

His remix of locked up is great....although what exactly did he use from the orginal track, just the vocal?!
And a bit of the hoover sound i think if you listen closely, i think its a wicked adaptation of it.
3 months ago
Gareth Cheeseman
johngeary Pic18355 Posts
United KingdomDerby
Music Style Hard House / NRG
In reply to
Seriously Andy, fuck off. thumbsup

The guy can't resist being a dick laughing
3 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
In reply to
In reply to
Original mix of Here We Go

Karim remix is wicked though!
i know most people hate this tune but i didn't. bassline is pure beef. did buy for the karim mix though as it has more energy.
Same here.I love both mixes.Pretty sure Karim half-inched the hoover off a unreleased track that Eufex sent him  rolleyes
3 months ago
1337
1337 Pic8908 Posts
New ZealandWellington
Music Style Party Music
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Original mix of Here We Go

Karim remix is wicked though!
i know most people hate this tune but i didn't. bassline is pure beef. did buy for the karim mix though as it has more energy.
Same here.I love both mixes.Pretty sure Karim half-inched the hoover off a unreleased track that Eufex sent him  rolleyes

Haha, heard that same hoover in a Jody 6 track from not long ago as well - Karma? laughing
3 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
No worries.  You guys all carry on wanking over how good a producer Paul Glazby is  It doesn't bother me in the slightest thumbsuplaughing   

glazby may have used engineers but he certainly had his own style and that's that (same as Karim).

 


Only to a certain extent. Listen to the Glazby remix of Cyberdrive – Ready To Rock, and tell me me you cant hear Colin Baratt all over it.

Sample below:
http://tinyurl.com/7zylo2j

sounds like a glazby style track to me
3 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
In reply to
In reply to
Andy just can't relate to someone creating their own music without an engineer, in his eyes it's not credible. In some instances I think most would agree however, and this a big however, there are many artistic people with a natural feel for the creative arts yet aren't technically skilled with an instrument etc but can verbally direct their vision until it is reached.  It may take longer, it may need time to build a relationship with an engineer and building their distinct sound to make it work. 

Sometimes the person who has learnt as a musician does not always prove to be the most gifted musically.   

It all comes down to my previous post about the electronic music artists I have always looked up to.  If I found out tomorrow that (for example) Steve and Miquette from System 7 didn't do their own engineering, or that the Hartnoll brothers paid someone else to engineer all their tracks, I would personally think far less of them as musicians.  And I'm not going to apologise for that thumbsup 

In the instance you've described above, Jay, I feel that the onus would be on that person to practise their fucking arse off and learn how to do it themselves, regardless of how much hard work it may be.  The musical results would be more personal to them and would have been constructed with sounds that they've made themselves; not the engineer's bank of presets.

I honestly don't understand why - seemingly - I am completely alone in thinking that this would be a GOOD thing for the scene?
    
Christ man get a fucking grip will you fella.I see what you are saying but the fact is if it wasnt for say paul glazby then there would not be any glazby style tracks out there to talk about because he would not of gone to visit said enginner to make them.And yes you can argue that 'he should just learn to write them himself' but the fact is he has not done so yet someone else has and if said person is willing to be paid to use his skill to engineer a track then what is the problem
3 months ago
Dramatik
3889 Posts
AustraliaAdelaide
Music Style Heavy basslines
In reply to

I can understand where andy is coming from.

When i first found out some of my favourite producers did not produce there own music and used someone else, it made me a bit annoyed, and made me see things different.

But i have no problem with people using engineers ,aslong as they put there own style into the track and dont copy what the engineer produces, which there is too much of these days. I'm sick to death of people going to engineers and just coming back with what the engineer himself produces.

A fine example of a great engineer is paul janes, his uk gold, houserockers etc was him,

When he engineered for for ian m, andy farely etc you could not tell he engineered them, which shows how its ment to be.


i understand where he is coming from and i agree with him. Sure there are those who don't know how to work the knobs but are musically talented, pay someone to help, and the result is a tune but then there are those who choose to sit next to someone make a tune for em, have minimal imput (or sleep on the couch) and then they go around calling themselves a producer?? doesn't make sense to me...however i find you can always hear it when someone has had input e.g glazby as his engineered tracks have his own style so you can tell he just ain't just sittin there eating pizza.

3 months ago
Socky
socky Pic3367 Posts
AustraliaBrisbane
Music Style Rave Music
I don't agree with him - some people just can't grasp computers and technology, but have a great sense of what a track could sound like and could do to a dancefloor - those people go to an engineer, explain their ideas, work with them, and through them they end up creating the track that was in their head, just because they needed the technological know how to create the track doesn't make the end result any less than if they had done it themselves.

Each to their own n all that, but at the end of the day music is about what moves people when they listen to it, yes when you get deep into it you appreciate the talent involved at every level, but is still end result that counts.



As someone said earlier, what a serious discussion, wtf happened to the HH scene that was all about tracks being made to be played to keep ppl filled with e's coke and acid dancing and having fun all weekend and when did it turn into an argument about who sat in what chair in the studio rolleyes
3 months ago
Socky
socky Pic3367 Posts
AustraliaBrisbane
Music Style Rave Music
just to add, most of glazbys later tracks, after tortured and his remix of lashed, were crap, and as I said on FB (and got abused for it) were the signs that the man was bored with the scene and ready to move onto better things thumbsup
3 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3013 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
In reply to
As someone said earlier, what a serious discussion, wtf happened to the HH scene that was all about tracks being made to be played to keep ppl filled with e's coke and acid dancing and having fun all weekend and when did it turn into an argument about who sat in what chair in the studio rolleyes
that is purely on this site tho, no one else gives a fuck about it!
3 months ago
1337
1337 Pic8908 Posts
New ZealandWellington
Music Style Party Music
BT is full of tossers who think they know it all about music, which is why few of the people actually making music successfully post here. Though if they did, the aforementioned tossers would probably brown nose them and kiss their arses, haha.
3 months ago
Socky
socky Pic3367 Posts
AustraliaBrisbane
Music Style Rave Music
post of the year, sing it bro yawn
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
I don't agree with him - some people just can't grasp computers and technology, but have a great sense of what a track could sound like and could do to a dancefloor - those people go to an engineer, explain their ideas, work with them, and through them they end up creating the track that was in their head, just because they needed the technological know how to create the track doesn't make the end result any less than if they had done it themselves.

Each to their own n all that, but at the end of the day music is about what moves people when they listen to it, yes when you get deep into it you appreciate the talent involved at every level, but is still end result that counts.



As someone said earlier, what a serious discussion, wtf happened to the HH scene that was all about tracks being made to be played to keep ppl filled with e's coke and acid dancing and having fun all weekend and when did it turn into an argument about who sat in what chair in the studio rolleyes
thumbsup
3 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3013 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
In reply to
BT is full of tossers who think they know it all about music, which is why few of the people actually making music successfully post here. Though if they did, the aforementioned tossers would probably brown nose them and kiss their arses, haha.
or why 90% of the people into the music dont post on here either laughing
3 months ago
EGGS BEN EDIT
mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
In reply to
BT is full of tossers who think they know it all about music, which is why few of the people actually making music successfully post here. Though if they did, the aforementioned tossers would probably brown nose them and kiss their arses, haha.
biggrin
3 months ago
EGGS BEN EDIT
mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
In reply to
Has to be said but what on earth was he thinking when it came to remixing racing rats, awful awful vocal and track laughing

Apart from that I love all his other work smile
if only these two new uns were up to the standard of this tune forthcoming on VC:

http://soundcloud.com/rodistyle/max-amino-popowaba-rodi-style

i thought Ben had lost the magic where the harder stuff is concerned - i stand (happily) corrected evil

(turdz - that sounds like a whinge but it's not. excited over a remix of a tune off one of my fave labels of old. can never get enough alien trax)
3 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15487 Posts
United Kingdom
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As someone said earlier, what a serious discussion, wtf happened to the HH scene that was all about tracks being made to be played to keep ppl filled with e's coke and acid dancing and having fun all weekend and when did it turn into an argument about who sat in what chair in the studio rolleyes
that is purely on this site tho, no one else gives a fuck about it!
laughing Not on your nelly. Any music website that is predominantly used by people making music, which this site now is, and you get expressed opinions of that viewpoint.  Go on Gearslutz, there's guys on there who are so strict about how music should be made it's nigh on anal laughing  You like Psy Steve, one of the worst for it.

Music should be listened to and enjoyed for what it is. A forum isn't a dancefloor, it's a discussion board so it's just how it is.  


3 months ago
Scorchio!
scorchiod Pic6022 Posts
IrelandDublin
Music Style Hard House/NRG
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haha what if we come prepped...just make me a bassline like 'Check This Out' and il go fetch us some butties from the shop wink

hang on, hit me up on skype and I'll play it for you... sound ok? pay the cash into my paypal account and I'll send it overthumbsup

I've actually heard of 'producers' doing that exact thing...pistols
3 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24926 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
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Has to be said but what on earth was he thinking when it came to remixing racing rats, awful awful vocal and track laughing

Apart from that I love all his other work smile
if only these two new uns were up to the standard of this tune forthcoming on VC:

http://soundcloud.com/rodistyle/max-amino-popowaba-rodi-style

i thought Ben had lost the magic where the harder stuff is concerned - i stand (happily) corrected evil

(turdz - that sounds like a whinge but it's not. excited over a remix of a tune off one of my fave labels of old. can never get enough alien trax)
I'm surprised you liked that new rodi remix Nick...I like the tune but it doesn't really sound like a remix sounds like a totally new/different tune (which kind of defeats the object a bit). The original is a classic and one that shouldn't really have been touched imo but rodis tune is cool.
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
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Has to be said but what on earth was he thinking when it came to remixing racing rats, awful awful vocal and track laughing

Apart from that I love all his other work smile
if only these two new uns were up to the standard of this tune forthcoming on VC:

http://soundcloud.com/rodistyle/max-amino-popowaba-rodi-style

i thought Ben had lost the magic where the harder stuff is concerned - i stand (happily) corrected evil

(turdz - that sounds like a whinge but it's not. excited over a remix of a tune off one of my fave labels of old. can never get enough alien trax)
I'm surprised you liked that new rodi remix Nick...I like the tune but it doesn't really sound like a remix sounds like a totally new/different tune (which kind of defeats the object a bit). The original is a classic and one that shouldn't really have been touched imo but rodis tune is cool.
Im not a fan of that remix if im honest. Bass seems weak to me too.

Post edited by owner 24/02/2012 10:30:22
3 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3341 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
Are you listening to it on laptop speakers Gaz?! tounge
3 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7784 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
no me dj headpnes mate :/
3 months ago
Gopal
1936 Posts
New ZealandAuckland
Music Style Doof Doof
I understand where Andy is coming from, but as others have said, I think you need to divide the two arts. I have spent years learning to be a competent engineer and have respect for people who engineer their own tunes for sure. But, some of the sessions I've had doing collaborations with people have really opened my eyes. Some of the ideas that have come from the person next to me that knows nothing about engineering, I would never have thought of, and sometimes turn out to be the highlight of the tune for me. It's one thing to pay your fee, go to an engineer unprepared and come out with a tune that sounds like them. It's another thing altogether to turn up prepared, full of ideas and 'direct' the engineer to produce the tune that you want. This is the art of producing and is an art in it's own right. Maddox, Dom, Owens etc are clearly masters and both arts, but then there are people like Glazby who are clearly talented 'producers' and fair play to them.
3 months ago
Tom Payne
tman Pic7194 Posts
IrelandRacoon City
Music Style Anything goes.../Hard-Dub
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Has to be said but what on earth was he thinking when it came to remixing racing rats, awful awful vocal and track laughing

Apart from that I love all his other work smile
if only these two new uns were up to the standard of this tune forthcoming on VC:

http://soundcloud.com/rodistyle/max-amino-popowaba-rodi-style

i thought Ben had lost the magic where the harder stuff is concerned - i stand (happily) corrected evil

(turdz - that sounds like a whinge but it's not. excited over a remix of a tune off one of my fave labels of old. can never get enough alien trax)
I'm surprised you liked that new rodi remix Nick...I like the tune but it doesn't really sound like a remix sounds like a totally new/different tune (which kind of defeats the object a bit). The original is a classic and one that shouldn't really have been touched imo but rodis tune is cool.
Definitely have to agree with you there... Pretty cool tune in its own right, but doesn't really have enough of the original in there to justify calling it a remix...
Is Ilogik still doing a remix of it?...
3 months ago
EGGS BEN EDIT
mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
can see what you mean. it starts with enough of the orig but then goes off on it's own tangent. i like it (bens effort) but agree if peeps are saying it should have more of the original in it.
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
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But the manner of the production of the music is important to me thumbsup 

For example, I'll research a classic album whilst listening to it to find out where the recording was done, who the producer was, stuff that happened during the recording process that forced them to rethink the direction of where they were going, weird/rare instruments used on specific tracks, shit like that.

The background and method of how a recording was made is one of many components that contribute to my overall enjoyment of the listening experience thumbsup

The above statement is, admittedly, more applicable to music played with instruments.  Within electronic dance music, it's down to the person twiddling the knobs and generating the actual sounds for me.

You - and, apparently, most people on here - may not care about stuff like this, but I do thumbsup


Fair enough. 

Gotta feel for you though mate. Sounds like hell to be not able to enjoy music for what it is. You're missing out.

Just read this article and thought I'd post it up as it's *kind of* in relation to what I was on about in my post above.

Pink Floyd are releasing a special edition of The Wall, with loads of material relating to the making of the album.  It's got the acoustic demos they recorded when they were planning the album and should provide a great insight into the construction of one of the greatest albums ever made thumbsup

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopmusic/9108857/Pink-Floyd-as-you-never-imagined-them.html

3 months ago
Adzr
adzr Pic1281 Posts
EnglandEssex
Music Style Hard NRG

I personally don't see the problem with someone going to an engineer with there ideas and getting them to make it possible...

I recently had an idea, that I'm certain has never been done before, at least with hard house, but am useless with computers.

I explained my idea to Jon BW and asked if it was possible (was expecting him to say no, thats why it hasn't been done) and he pretty much said, clever idea, when I get a chance I'll have a go and see.... now if I'd never asked would anyone else have had the same idea? Guess we'll never know, but think you can and should be credited for original ideas.

 

Granted, I'm not fussed about being credited for it, was curious more than anything, but if Jon uses that idea and it works, all good. I could if I wanted to go and sit with an engineer and use it for myself, and if I did I'd expect to be acknowledged for it.

3 months ago
The Mungrel
the mungrel Pic59 Posts
United KingdomYour mum's bedroom
Music Style Hard house
thumbsupIn reply to
Original mix of Here We Go

Karim remix is wicked though!

3 months ago
DaveCurtis
1985 Posts
England
Music Style AWsum Caterpillar Music
i think comparing pink floyd at their LSD-laced peak to hard house is a bit rich
3 months ago
EGGS BEN EDIT
mrbonez Pic36614 Posts
Englandketom central
Music Style NOT FOR THE PLEASANT!
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i think comparing pink floyd at their LSD-laced peak to hard house is a bit rich
was thinking that was a pretty loose/way out connection looking
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
It was more to do with getting a greater insight into how music is constructed and how this knowledge can increase the listeners' enjoyment of the resulting sound.  Nowt to do with hard house lol laughing 
3 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3341 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
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I personally don't see the problem with someone going to an engineer with there ideas and getting them to make it possible...

I recently had an idea, that I'm certain has never been done before, at least with hard house, but am useless with computers.

I explained my idea to Jon BW and asked if it was possible (was expecting him to say no, thats why it hasn't been done) and he pretty much said, clever idea, when I get a chance I'll have a go and see.... now if I'd never asked would anyone else have had the same idea? Guess we'll never know, but think you can and should be credited for original ideas.

 

Granted, I'm not fussed about being credited for it, was curious more than anything, but if Jon uses that idea and it works, all good. I could if I wanted to go and sit with an engineer and use it for myself, and if I did I'd expect to be acknowledged for it.

What was the idea you big tease? love
3 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4568 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
In reply to
In reply to

I personally don't see the problem with someone going to an engineer with there ideas and getting them to make it possible...

I recently had an idea, that I'm certain has never been done before, at least with hard house, but am useless with computers.

I explained my idea to Jon BW and asked if it was possible (was expecting him to say no, thats why it hasn't been done) and he pretty much said, clever idea, when I get a chance I'll have a go and see.... now if I'd never asked would anyone else have had the same idea? Guess we'll never know, but think you can and should be credited for original ideas.

 

Granted, I'm not fussed about being credited for it, was curious more than anything, but if Jon uses that idea and it works, all good. I could if I wanted to go and sit with an engineer and use it for myself, and if I did I'd expect to be acknowledged for it.

What was the idea you big tease? love

A donk thumbsup
3 months ago
Adzr
adzr Pic1281 Posts
EnglandEssex
Music Style Hard NRG
In reply to
In reply to

I personally don't see the problem with someone going to an engineer with there ideas and getting them to make it possible...

I recently had an idea, that I'm certain has never been done before, at least with hard house, but am useless with computers.

I explained my idea to Jon BW and asked if it was possible (was expecting him to say no, thats why it hasn't been done) and he pretty much said, clever idea, when I get a chance I'll have a go and see.... now if I'd never asked would anyone else have had the same idea? Guess we'll never know, but think you can and should be credited for original ideas.

 

Granted, I'm not fussed about being credited for it, was curious more than anything, but if Jon uses that idea and it works, all good. I could if I wanted to go and sit with an engineer and use it for myself, and if I did I'd expect to be acknowledged for it.

What was the idea you big tease? love

 

Haha, I've reminded Jon about it, waiting for him to reply so will find out if he tried biggrin

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