Push your level of production.

Over the last few years now, there has been a huge rise in the level of production being outputted from home producers. Nowadays people look for the mixing as much as they do the track itself.

i have been saying this shit for years and i get told to shut up every time

While I agree on most points Alex, I'm in two minds about what is perceived as high production. In some ways a lot of music sounds very clinical and why some areas of electronic music have edged towards a rougher lofi sound. I'd say some do benefit from sounding that way. 

i have loved hh/nrg for nearly two decades and it is absolutely getting better. the gap between the good and bad productions is widening. in other words, the good productions are getting better, the crap is still crap, and the same is still same, but its certainly not getting worse since there are no cheesy beeps and bleeps added as filler or "new direction". the only thing that should go is the pitched up repeating vocal - fucking offensive to my ears.  dramatik, weazal and noonoo are taking the genre in the right direction.

I'm noticing some producers putting more breakbeat into the tracks aswell as 4 x 4.Not sure whether thats always been the case,having only followed it for a while

I feel a lot of people are more fussed about the overall sound quality than the main elements of the tracks now a days which is sad. Agree with what Albert and Jay.

I'd say Tim Wellings, DNG, has been making his own unique style of hard house for years. Definitely has a heavy tribally kind if sound with loads of fucked up bleepy futuristic sounds and twisted synths. Still one of the most underrated producers in our scene in my eyes.

That!
tho i find tim's tracks very hit nd miss in terms of me liking them,  Toulene is defo the best one he's ever done and one of my fav tracks from recent years
batten & brow need a mention too, i fucking love their sound!

There is a fine line between people saying something is pushing the envelope, and something is too random.

Hard house would gain alot learning from the psy scene, however i always get told to fuck off every time i mention psy on here

haha too true!
i have always been slated on here for any ideas i have suggested

Psy, Trance, Techno etc were incorporated into a lot of the NRG sound in the 90's. It's true that is no longer the case.

^^^ THAT 

Agree 100%. 

What, stop and start making Dubstep? 

That's fuckin sad to see. Such talented producers wasting their skill on dubstep. Infected Mushroom have been a huge inspiration to me. Supervisor was a genuinely original and amazingly well produced tune

Production is not wasted on any music but skill goes where the money is...everytime.

Love for the music is fine a few times around but time is money to a lot of us so effort needs to be funded.

NO artist goes out to make money as is their passion....a hobby, something they LOVE to do, but then there comes a time its recognised as a trade and a talent which then turns out to be a career. Then its the recognition and payment that spurs on more passion and determination. This also pays for better management and focus of skills...even pays to upgrade tools and training.

I wont use the genere HH, I use the word DANCE music... hard or euphoric, faster or slower... it all once was played on the same night in the same venue to give that sense of journey.... tracks were selected at certain times in the night as warmups...fillers and anthems...using several DJ's...or even just a couple!

The SKILLED composers/producers/engineers do it for a LIVING and also need to pay bills....so they go where the main paying work is...... so if DUBSTEP is the sound of today then that is where they will adapt and go....... the sound was probably created by a top producer sick of the dilution of the sound they loved...the lost revenue so they then need to adapt and survive. It would have been the media or the unskilled that gave it the name DUBSTEP which again diluted it more... but by that time the skilled would have moved onto the sound of next year.

Label/Genres didnt mean much 10 years ago, it was a way Mixmag seperated out their music sections and judging panels........ we, the artists DONT play to genres...get told what to play or usually follow what has been.... Music composition is a mood and feeling thing... something lost with todays bedroom kids who just want to copy their DJ idols.............. I never copied or followed a DJ, it wasnt until Tony i even recognised them as an asset to getting my music out there.

There was once a separation and mutual respect between the composer/engineer and DJ....but now i think the home grown bedroom DJ who also plays at being Composer, Engineer and mastering engineer is stuck in a loop........they were the ones who started to use FX as instruments instead of playing an instrument since they used these effects live with their sets.....and this is why it all sounds the same...robotic and soulless  - Either LEARN to actually play (something you CANT just skim over and quickly do like with learning a DAW) or actually go out...get a musician and add that to your tracks!! Then the DJ can actually go out...get the best gigs and promote that music without a genre snobbishness!

There are still a chosen few who CAN achieve both DJ status and composer status.....but they already know the score and probably selling decent units...if not, these talented resourceful guys adapt anyway and move on  

They're doing dubstep now then?  WTF?!  Some of their earlier albums are quality - Ratio Schmatio is one of my reference tracks when listening to new kit

  It wasn't about the money with me,it was too see if i could get a song in tid charts or something,just to know i could.As it goes i have had in my eyes a fairly reasonable release now which i'm happy with,scraping just into top 20 sales at TID,and if i can make a few quid aswell then that would be nice for the time and effort i put into it obviously,because i think you're mindset changes when you do get a reasonable release,and yes obviously the money is important factor for your hard work paying off.


+ Its bludy money and who the hell doesn't want that

This is all i got to say about Dubstep in a tune.. http://soundcloud.com/dexitron/dexitron-htfu-sc-edit (with futuristic dub step fart-synths)

infected mushroom are a pure example tho hardly psy is it?

your a producer do something about then mate instead of preaching to others telling us how to do it.