No shame in this game?

Has it suddenly become de facto within Hard House to release all these bootlegs we're currently seeing? It wasn't that long ago a backlash happened on here when another artist was actually getting permission via a frowned upon licensing method for official covers but, ultimately getting the rights to release them.  

Hasnt this been happening for years??? If it's 'ok' for one of the biggest names to do it then people will follow suit.

Good point Ross. They shouldn't be released though!

Of course bootlegs have Ross, anonymously because of possible repercussions. Lately it seems anything goes without that concern More so in the last year has it become a bit rife with the bootlegs.

More likely cos there's no money in it I reckon.
If you bootlegged a track a few years ago, just selling 500 whites would net you a small profit, and 1000+ was some good earnings, easy done as ya know with the right track. Costs more to make the track than you get back now if using an engineer, which most are, so pointless threatening to sue for money that isn't being made?
I had a snotty phone call from a certain producer in 2004-ish threatening to sue if I released a booty I had done of 1 of their tracks, and was given the advice by a certain retiring dj to tell em to fuck off and that I'd only made 300 copies, so wasn't making owt out of it
In the end I denied all knowledge of it as I'd already had em pressed and was in the process of distributing em, sold pretty well tho not sayin how many

No imagination either.Sick to death of hearing remixes of tracks that did not need remixing in the 1st place, if it aint broke dont fix it.'ooh just thought I would update it for my sets' well fucking dont, if it does not fit in your set then dont play it.I am talking about full on remixes as opposed to sampling of tracks etc

i noticed it too jay, and I bet your talking about trackitdown, as its full of them. I dont like it either, if there's no money in it, its not the point to be honest

Stephen Hill is raping the scene with his masifly shit bootlegs! And didnt even write a hi hat in any of them 

Just in general, the email notifications being fed from facebook etc with yet another bootleg someone is releasing. Quite surprised how open they are.  

all aboard.... the night train

He's still raping the scene tho whether he applies for a licence to do it or not lol! He's not the only one either! 
Its no wonder hard dance dying on its arse, everyone is sick of listening to the same old shit getting rehashed & re released!

The reason I said he gets clearance was based on how open some are on owning up to the bootlegs they are releasing. 

talking about bootlegs when is adam m going to give out his diddy - 'give me love' bootleg...selfish git

I reckon it would be fucking hilarious if someone under an alias started bootlegging brand new released tracks by artists who have bootlegged other peoples tracks in the past and started giving them out for free. Would piss them right off, cause a bit of popcorn required drama and would maybe stop them doing it again in the future.

There's no money in it whats so ever, so yeah people could sue and for what ? It would cost far to much money to sue someone just because they sold 10 copies on toolbox and got to number 1 for a few days.

if these bootlegs were selling thousands of copies it would be a different story...........but there not. Get over it jay

Read somewhere you can only sue for a proportion/all of the profits made and can't claim damages etc. The reason people are so happy to put their name to it is probably becasue they know they are untouchable even in the worst case scenario and legal action is persued.

The question was why are people openly putting their names to released bootlegs lately, not why are they releasing them. As though it's ok for some reason. Just to clarify the point being made. 

I'd be interested in reading that as there would be many reasons why you could, certainly for damages.  

Now theres a quality idea!

I don't think your offended.  I can see where your coming from but for me I've never really had a problem with people making bootlegs, if there good great if there not I don't buy them

pretty sure it was on here many moons ago. Apparently you cant sue for more than the money made, this is probably more like GROSS than profit which I mentioned earlier. I would be surprised if you couldn't raise a separate case regarding damages though as seems hard to believe otherwise especially with today's legal mentality. Will try and dig the article out as it linked to a page which explained it all in detail.

The odd bootleg every now and then is ok but at the moment it's bleeding bootleg city

you know what it is guys.....its like Hollywood. People are running out of ideas and what better place to look for inspiration......the past. I can count how different remixes of Tony de Vit's 'I don't care' on both hands and feet and probably another persons too. its been ripped apart and hammered. they're no longer iconic because you hear them all the time. bored.com   

i'm with ya on the one

there is a difference between listening to old tracks for inspiration and bootlegging them though.As for ran out of ideas by the sounds of most bootlegs they did not have any ideas in the 1st place

Of course but, my main point was what suddenly made people start putting their names to bootlegs they were releasing commercially. Always seen as dodgy ground so was kept anonymous. 

Ah yeah, get what you sayin mate, and no, back then, would not have put my name to it. Now?  Hmmm

LOL no I think you're misinterpreting.     

It's an interesting subject, and the same answer seems to be coming up. No risk. Would you say that was based on the possible risk of having stock seized and legal action taken against you back then compared to now?  See, the only thing I can grasp is that people are now happy to do it because they think there is nothing to lose, no stock (financially themselves) etc so morally isn't in the equation to be anonymous. 

I thing that if a bootleg gets well liked there's always that chance that several people will claim to be the one who created it maybe? I get the impression that, especially with artists trying to make a name for themselves, they want people to know they did it.

yeaa thats the impression i get tbf

It would be the ultimate step in the wrong direction if people started doing that of course but, it is really no different whether new or old.  Going by a couple of incidents that have been posted on here, one due to someone claiming another artist had plagiarised their latest tracks melody, people became very defensive. 

Have you ever been bootlegged Jay? 

There's been a couple of things over the years

Most tracks made these days are just re created classics. So in essence nearly every track is a bloody bootleg haha. But yes Hard House is rife with fucking old school riffs re written. Quite demoralising searching material these days.

 *shame face*.

We'd only be bootlegging a bootleg if we did

Ok i think we need to see some examples of these? name them and shame them.

interesting topic and read - best thread I seen in a long time 

lol. i think this one is nicely done http://soundcloud.com/random-but-raw/linkin-park-in-the-end

but yeah just pointing that out, not relating to the original post

are you talking about that ridiculous sounding psy-core (don't blame me for the shit name, blame the hippehs) album?

is this that new though? where does Valex's cafe del munted sit - booties or covers? either way it's all credited

Putting the name to it or trying to hide the fact, I'd say that has become more common than it used to be if released. Like Jarrod and a couple of others have said, no one seemingly cares anymore. There's two sides to that of course and the flip would be the artist having their work sold without permission probably would care. I do want to make it clear again, it's just a discussion on why people are no longer staying anonymous than a criticism.  

i personally don't agree with nicking whacking great big bits of other tracks and plonking them on your own kick and bass and saying you made it.

Exactly.

yeh thats bollox. no creativity at all! I've done a couple of remakes recently but re-did all riffs and changed them accordingly and used none of the original whatsoever. Whether this makes it more acceptable i can only hope

Valex - Ease my pressure = Karim - Playing with knifes, both engineered by dave
Adam M, Taz & Dam - fishy secret = Bocaccio Life - The Secret Wish - (Paul Maddox Remix), both engineered by madoox

dont understand why u would redo a track with a person thats already done it in the past and then make a near carbon copy of theirs

that's the one Tyssen

cheers Jay, i think my post was unclear though i meant that CD is credited to Valex so is releasing and not trying to hide the fact. just chucked it out as an example

the 2 tunes you've mentioned aren't really great examples as karim or maddox's tunes didn't get released.

love both ease my pressure n fishy secret anyway so I was happy.

I don't know the CD, you mean crediting as their original? More complicated   

Not a karim fan then.

BRK3 have just released a version of Cafe Del Mar on ITDS. I bought it as it's a fantastic re-work however I do wonder if they actually got permission to do it LOL.

To be fair to valex though cafe del munted is a great track and the original is hardly playable in a hard house set these days, its a great rework, yes its an old tune but its reworked to be used in a new way so therefore there is some bit of originality gone into it - if that makes sense 

but rooneys imagination isnt gettin released which is the point of the thread. an example would be jody 6 operation 303 as it is for sale

They tried to release it as far as I know.

I don't mind the occasional bootleg if it's done well, but half the tracks coming out are bootlegs at the mo. Pretty embaressing for Hard House, just adds fuel to the fire that there's no originality in the sound.

Reach out to meeeeeEEEeeee....

insane in the membrane ?

oh yeah,  don't get me wrong - it's almost a whole CD of pure win for me, but it is a covers or booties album and there is no anonimity involved

This is Vicious / This Is Tidy 

 That's what I thought when I read it.

Who are we to decide if it's necessary or not Tim? Pierce obviously did so fair enough to him 

the This Is things were never intended to be released, and it is made very clear that they are mashups with very little creative input from myself, and my name isn't on them. This Is Tidy Part 1 will be coming out soon though as Amo put it on an particular live recording

Dave isnt your name anymore??

Well, that's all right then.  

not my proper name you picky cunt. anyway, they hardly fall under the point of the thread is what i'm trying to say

ooo get her!! Heavy weekend?

Someone has not taken his lulz medication this morning it seems.

thats terrible!! prefect example of a completely pointless bootleg, has no energy compared to the bk remix

Lol 

yeah doesn't make it right does it.

I think that makes Jays point in his original post. No one gives a shit and has no shame about doing it.

Remind me who your favourite producer is Tim....

Rodi?