ABLETON DJ FAQ STICKY

 
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Seeing as though we already have a producer FAQ sticky and that a few of us are developing our skills as digital DJ's too, I thought it would be good to start a sticky thread where we can all share our Ableton tips and tricks. smile 

 

 

I'll get the ball rolling with Dummy Clips.

 

Below are links to 3 videos which explain this very well.

http://www.vimeo.com/groups/15554/videos/758820

http://www.vimeo.com/groups/15554/videos/775568

http://www.vimeo.com/groups/15554/videos/824612

(Sorry, I couldn't embed those).

 

In those videos, he demonstrates how you send the audio from one channel directly into the Dummy Clips channel. I prefer to have a few channels for Dummy Clips and share those with all the track channels and routing on the fly straight to the Dummy's is tricky with his method. There is a better way to route to these channels using the sends and returns.

- Set up an audio channel, a return channel and a dummy clips channel.

- Set the return channel to send it's sent signal to the dummy clips channel.

- Set the dummy channel to receive it's audio from the return channel and keep it's monitor source set as IN.

- Using the send rotary on the audio channel, full turn that clockwise to send the full signal to the dummy clips channel. You'll notice that the volume doubles, it's just a case of dropping the volume fader on the audio channel at the same time you turn the send rotary.

- Job done. You can set up as many audio channels as you wish and quickly assign that to the dummy clips channel using that send. Repeat for as many dummy channels as you like.

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Post edited by owner 13/09/2009 08:54:05
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Setting up a Pioneer DJM800 to use as a midi controller for Ableton.

 

(Taken from another forum)

This is for mapping a Pioneer DJM-800 to Live for DJ'ing. The original thread I wrote is found at the Pioneer Pro DJ site here:

http://www.pioneerprodjforums.com/ubbth ... o=&fpart=1

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Hi Gang,

So, I've been working feverishly over the weekend getting this thing up to speed with Ableton Live. I thought I would share my decisions for setting up an Ableton Live template using the DJM-800 and maybe help others that are trying to get their head around getting this combo working effectively. For this set up, I'm using the following:

1- Ableton Live 5.2
2 - Motu UltraLite Audio/MIDI Interface (w/ 8 outs, 1 midi in/1 midi out, powered by Firewire bus) - but any multiple audio out interface w/ midi ports will do.
3 - Apple MacBook Pro 15"
4 - Last, but not least, the DJM-800 mixer.

The goal of this particular template assignment is to allow 4 virtual decks (or 8 if you use all four channels on the mixer via audio out from your audio interface). Here is my template for 4 virtual decks Plus two additional mixer channels to be used for drum machines, CD player, or whatever your fancy (this, btw, is my ideal set up when I have all my gear available for sync'ing).

The Set Up:

1. MIDI Out from DJM-800 -> To Audio Interface MIDI port in

*Note: If you have external gear that is syncable via MIDI clock (or you want to get extra advanced and control that external MIDI gear using the DJM-800, then you you need to either have a MIDI routing box from the DJM-800 that splits the MIDI signals so that they can be routed to the computer and the external gear at the same time), you will need to route a MIDI clock/start/stop signal back from the computer to the gear using your Audio/MIDI interface MIDI Out port.

2. Configure Ableton Live to accept MIDI from the DJM-800 via the MIDI port in Ableton's preferences.

*Note: You need to select at the minimum, Track and Remote for the input to have Ableton accept the 800's MIDI controller messages. Chose Sync as well if you want the mixer to also provide MIDI clock. (BTW not recommended if you are only using Ableton Live. You don't want BPM from the Mixer being set by the track playing in Live that is also setting the speed - it will screw up the MIDI timing).

3. Advanced users will also want to send MIDI clock from Live back through their Audio/MIDI interface via Live by selecting Sync in the Output section in MIDI preferences. Hook your MIDI out cable to your external syncable gear's MIDI In port. Make sure your external gear is set up to accept external clock (and start/stop) messages.

*Note: You will need to adjust your track latency in Ableton Live to sync up your external gear. If you don't your beats will phase or will be off if you don't adjust. This is important if you want to have a tight sound.

4. Hook up all your audio cables (or digital cables, depending on your audio interface) to the DJM-800. In my case, I'm running Ableton Live with two physical L/R tracks out of the Motu Interface (MOTU Line Outputs 1/2 go to the DJM-800's Line Input L/R Channel 2 on the DJM-800 and MOTU Line Outputs 3/4 go to the DJM-800's Line Input L/R Channel 3).

*Note: This is the physical hook up with wires and NOT the software based configuration in Live that I have yet to describe. In order to get 4 virtual turntables using Live, I will group 4 tracks in Live to be routed to 2 Send/Return tracks via the Sends Only option pull down in their track output configuration (which is found in session view on the tracks themselves) for their output assignment in Live... but I'll describe that in more detail below). Right now I'm just describing the phyiscal hook up.

5. If you have external groove gear or whatever, hook that up to. Ostensibly, Channels 1 and 4 on the DJM are good options because it keeps your Live tracks on the two center channels and the outside channels dedicated to your other gear.

Okay - Last step. Time to configure Live to route 4 virtual tracks (or turntables ) into 2 DJM Channels (2 & 3 as described above). Basically do this:

6. Create 2 send and return tracks in Session view, not Arrangement view (usually Live has two already, but if not, make sure you have two). Eliminate any MIDI tracks in Session view and make 4 audio tracks. You can label them at the top if it makes you feel better.
A. On all audio tracks one through four, select Sends Only in the Audio To pull down.
B. In the Sends dial for tracks One and Two, send 100% (all the way clockwise) to Send A.
C. In the Sends dial for tracks Three and Four, send 100% (also all the way clockwise) to Send B.

Now, on the Return Tracks (A and B) assign Audio To drop down to Exernal Out for both. For Return Track A, select tracks 3/4 for stereo output and for Return Track B, select tracks 5/6 for output.

NOTE - VERY IMPORTANT: Audio outputs 1/2 from the audio interface actually correspond to external out in Ableton as 3/4 and Audio outputs 3/4 from the audio interface actually correcspond to external out in Ableton as 5/6. Its just one of those things.... you can do a search the forum if you must know why.

NOW - when you place a track or a loop on any of the tracks and press play (or trigger them) you should be getting audio playing back through your DMJ-800 if:

1- you've turned up the levels, the tracks are not muted in Live, and you've got the volume up on the return tracks as well. If you don't have audio coming through channels 2 and 3 on the mixer, then go back and recheck your settings, etc. If you can't figure out, then that is what this thread is for. Let's help you figure it out.

THE GOOD STUFF. THE ASSIGNMENTS IN LIVE from the DJM-800. Here is what made sense to me and my set up. Your mileage may vary, but I tried to think through how one needs to use the phyiscal DJ mixer interface to control audio, while still being able to trigger things in Live without screwing up what is coming out from the DJM. This is the hardest part of using a device that has dual functions for every knob/fader/button.

First is DJ Mixer - Second is assignment in Live

Fader Start - Trigger clips from tracks 1,2,3, and 4 using the fader start buttons.
Cue Buttons for Channels 2 & 3 - Mute/Unmute for Return Tracks A & B
Channel Faders 2 & 3 - Track level for Return Tracks A & B respectively.
Booth Monitor - BPM assignment. I suggest setting a range in Arrangement view so you can make finer adjustments using this knob.
Level/Depth Knob - Scene selection so you can navigate scenes to trigger clips (using the fader start buttons)
Master Volume - Master level (not used in this set up to route actual audio, but its nice to have them correspond)
Beat Buttons under Display - left button/set loop (In), right beat button/set loop (out).
Tap - Loop On/Off

Knobs that I didn't assign to anything but could be used without jacking up your mix if you set them up right: Color knobs which I would assign to effects in the Return tracks in Live which would be fun as you could then double up the color effects WITH Ableton's effects as well making some wild combos (imagine a DJM crunch applied to a graintable delay from Live on a track! etc.); EQ Hi/Lo on Mic channels for Live effect parameters, and Cue/Master knob which only effects your headphone cue source but would allow you to effect something in Live without hindering the master output from the DJM.

Also: Using the crossfader assignments on the DJM to correspond to the crossfader assignments in Live. Doing that allows you to reassign them within the software on the fly through the DJ mixer.

CRITICAL LAST ASSIGNMENT
Okay - one last assignment that will give you the flexibility to mix four tracks from Live using two channels on the DJM.

- Assign Live Tracks 1 and 2 to crossfader A and B sides respectively (IOW, Track 1 is assigned to crossfader A, Track 2 is assigned to crossfader B). Live Tracks 3 and 4 to crossfader A and B respectively as well.

- Assign crossfader on the DJM to the crossfader in Live as well (found in the master out track MIDI assignable options).

Now you can crossfade between Live tracks 1 and 2 through the DJM channel 2 and crossfade between Live tracks 3 and 4 through the DJM channel 3.

Sweet! With practice you can do some really cool tricks running four tracks through two channels on the DJM using the channel faders and the crossfader. Its wicked, IMO.

The last point I want to make is that this is just my set up that I wanted to share (and provide some background for setup for those that are new to this Ableton Live thing using a DJM-800). There are tons of other options, but I tended to keep this clean and simple - but still effective for mixing up a storm.

You can take this same set up principle and use all four tracks on the DJM and route a total of 8 Live tracks into the DJM this way and have total sonic mayhem (minus the ability of triggering 8 tracks directly from the mixer interface, unless you use the blue color buttons in association with the Fader start buttons - but this assumes all four color buttons can be discretely assigned, which I don't think is the case yet. A fix or clarification from Pioneer is still pending).

And don't forget if you stick with just a four track ableton live set up, you have two more channels in the DJM to to wicked mixing stuff with (CDJ's, drum machines, whatever!).

3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Creating a DJ audio effect rack.

 

This will show you how to create your own DJ audio effect rack. You can use this on whatever channels you'd like but I'd keep it just for your main deck channels. Once I've shown you the basics, you're free to create an effect rack in whatever way you choose.

- Set up an audio channel.

- Open the browser, select the effects panel, select audio effects and drag the effect rack into your audio channel.

- I'm going to create a rack that contains similar controls to that you would find on a standard high end mixer. This controls would be a set of EQ's, A L/P & H/P filter and Reverb. Therefore, go back into your browser, in audio effects, drag an EQ3 into your effect rack into that audio channel. Also drag 2 auto filters and a reverb.

- In the effect rack, under the on/off switch for the rack, is a macro utility. Select this and click on map mode. Select the macro you wish to assign, click it's map mode and then highlight the effect you'd like it control, say the low on the EQ3. When it is mapped, it'll show unmap on the macro. Exit map mode, click on the glocal midi map mode and select the macro rotary and assign that to your midi controller. Exit midi map mode and turn up that midi controller rotary. You'll see the macro rotary move and also the Low on the EQ3 move too. Now assign the Mid and Hi's on the EQ3 in the same manor. The reason for assigning these to macros is to make it easier to see what's being activated inside the rack. You don't have to use the macro function, you can assign a midi control directly to the parameter you wish to activate but it does make it quicker to look straight at your macro setup to the whole rack. Personal preference really I suppose.

- Now for the first auto filter. Select on the first filter, the H/P function and then play around with the settings to find something you're happy with. Go into the macro window, open map mode, select the macro and then select the KH'z control on the filter, exit macro mapping mode. Enter midi map mode and assign a rotary to that macro. Exit map mode. Now you'll see when you move the midi controller rotary, you now have a lovely filter on it smile Repeat sequence for the second filter but assign a L/P accordingly.

- I'll leave you to figure out the Reverb one. Just follow the instructions for the last few.

- It's a good idea to label your macro controls. Just right click on the title of the macro and select rename.

- Under the on/off switch for the effect rack, under the macro option and the next one, the chain option, is the image of the effcts. Make sure this is turned off and it'll hide your effect windows so it becomes a bit neater.

Now you know how to make an effect rack, you're now free to construct one to your own liking. smile

3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Here's a good one. I sometimes use my return channels for a standard Delay or Reverb. The problem with this is that the more audio signal you send to the return channels, the volume increases and sounds shit. To stop this from occurring, take a look in your audio effects, under Utlity, drag an inverter on to the return channel, place it before your effect. Now when you send audio, it'll hit the inverter first, drop the signal down slightly and make your effect much more pleasent sounding. smile

3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Here's a good video demonstating a phrase djing setup including many dummy clip channels. It's interesting. I don't like the amount of effects he's setup. Purely because IMO, using too many FX that distort the sound ruins the flow of a tune. I like to hear the music, not shit loads of effects over the top of it. This guy seems to enjoy fucking the tunes up completely lol! It's well worth watching though!

http://tomorrowsdj.blogspot.com/2009/03/ableton-dj-setup-with-tom-lewis.html
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Cutting a tune up into phrases.

 

As you can see from the video above, that DJ is demonstating phrase DJing. He doesn't explain how to split your tune up into these phrases so I will.

- Drag a tune into an audio channel and warp it then save!!!!!!!!!!

- Set the loop to start from the first beat and give it a length of 32.

- Right click on the loop and select crop sample. This will cut your tune (doesn't actually destroy the original tune, only chops it in Ableton).

- Rename it to say Intro by right clicking and selecting rename.

- Repeat for the rest of the tune. Now it's up to you how you split up the tune. You could split every 32. I split so that I have an Intro, Main Build, Breakdowns, Main Track, Outro loop and I find this works best for me. You might just like it every 32, whatever.

- If you wish to save your loops as a seperate file, I'm not sure how to do that yet as I just save them in my template at the moment. There should be an export option though. I'll have a look later.

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3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Midi controllers that I think could work well with Ableton.

 

Novation Remote Zero SL - £159 http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/13732-novation-remote-zero-sl.html

Akai APC40 - £379 http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/39972-akai-apc40.html

M-Audio UC-33e - £149.99 http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/3826-m-audio-uc-33e-advanced-usb-midi-control-surface.html

 UC-33e Advanced USB MIDI Control Surface

CME Bitstream 3X - £309.99 http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/15626-cme-bitstream-3x.html

 Bitstream 3x

Vestax VCM-600 - £599 http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/41548-vestax-vcm-600.html

 VCM-600

Allen & Heath Xone 1D - £197 http://www.decks.co.uk/products/allen_heath/Xone_1D_grey

Graphite or Silver.

Xone 1D Greyallen_heath Xone 1D

 

Allen & Heath Xone 2D - £472 http://www.decks.co.uk/products/allen_heath/Xone_2D_Grey

Graphite or Silver

Xone 2D GreyMedia Title

 

Kenton Killamix Mini - £249 http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR248942

 


Post edited by owner 13/09/2009 11:30:05
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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DJ mixers that incorporate midi controls.

 

Pioneer DJM700              DJM700s

pioneer DJM700   pioneer DJM700S

 

     Korg Zero4                Korg Zero 8

korg Zero4      Zero8

 

           Ecler EVO4                EVO5

ecler EVO 4ecler EVO 5

 

Allen & Heath

            Xone 4D    king                  

allen_heath Xone 4D

 

     Pioneer DJM800                 DJM800 Rotary love

pioneer DJM800     pioneer DJM800 Rotary

 

 

 


Post edited by owner 13/09/2009 11:51:03
3 years ago
DOT
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- If you wish to save your loops as a seperate file, I'm not sure how to do that yet as I just save them in my template at the moment. There should be an export option though. I'll have a look later.




Click on the loop to highlight it then File - Render Selection thumbsup
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Midi mapping an external controller and adjusting the CC perameters.

 

 

Right, to map an external controller in Ableton is simple but first, I'll give you instructions on how to install the controller in Ableton's preferences.

 

- Connect your controller via USB into the computer running Ableton.

- Look at the top, far right hand of Ableton's window. There is a section of icons. One is a keyboard symbol, the next is the KEY mapping mode, next to that are 2 little boxes. The top one is what you need to look at. Turn a rotary on your controller and you should see a light come on as you move the knob. This shows you that Ableton can see external midi messages. That's good.

- Now open up your preferences window. In OSX, it's CMD + , or LIVE on the toolbar and select Preferences. Not sure what it is on Windows, probably FILE > Preferences, maybe OPTIONS > Preferences, can't remember.

- Move to the MIDI SYNC tab and you should see in the midi ports section, your controller listed. You need to turn on the Track and Remote options.

- Close the Preferences window, go back to your session window and open up an Audio channel (right click, add audio channel). Now click the MIDI icon in the top far right hand screen. All the controls that can be assigned to a controller are lit up in Blue.

- Select the volume control on your audio channel by clicking on it, it will place a box around that control. Now move a fader on your external controller and you'll see some numbers pop on to that volume control. Now take off the MIDI map mode by clicking the MIDI icon again and the blue colours go away. Now when you move your fader, Ableton responds by moving the volume on your audio channel.

- What you'll find is that when push your external fader up to the top position, Ableton's volume fader moves right to the top also. Now this isn't good as that means it'll push that channel into the red, therefore distorting. So, you'll need to enter the MIDI map mode again, making sure that your Browser tab is viewable, now you'll see the browser shows your midi control parameter.

- Look for the CC that says Track Volume and to the far right hand side of it, is a MAX reading. It'll be set to 6.00db. You need to change it to 0.00db, press return.

- Take off MIDI map mode and now when you move the external fader, the volume fader in Ableton only goes as far as the clipping point.  smile

Now get mapping love

 

3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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In reply to
In reply to

- If you wish to save your loops as a seperate file, I'm not sure how to do that yet as I just save them in my template at the moment. There should be an export option though. I'll have a look later.




Click on the loop to highlight it then File - Render Selection thumbsup


 

Nice one DOT, thanks thumbsup

You must have loads to add to this thread too. thumbsup

3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Assigning the loop function to a controller.

 

If you look in the clip window, there is a loop function. You should be familar with this if you've warped a track according to my method above. What you can do is assign this to a midi device. Ideally you need 3 spare buttons on your controller to do this.

- Enter MIDI mapping mode.

- Double click a track to view it's clip waveform. High light the LOOP icon the press one of your controller buttons.

- Now select the loop start set point, assign another controller button.

- Select the loop end set point and assign again to a controller button.

- Exit MIDI map mode.

Now, this function will work on whatever clip you are viewing. You can only activate it when you can see the waveform. This means that activating this function will not place a loop on all the clips smile Just the clip you're viewing.

 

3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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If anybody can advise the best way of warping accapellas, instrumental intros etc.. I'd be very interested to hear. I'm having problems doing this myself.
3 years ago
DeXiTroN
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wHEN i work with acapellas, I run the metronome and the accapella, then using "complex" warp, adjust the "accentuated" words (eg: rap rhymes) so that it fits with the kick (metronome).. I hope that makes sense?!!
3 years ago
philmassey
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Jon, do you use ableton to mix actual tracks then or just for FX and loops along with your decks/cdj's??


3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Depends what mood I'm in mate. I still love the hands on feel when mixing with my CDJ's and don't think I'll ever stop that. I tend to just mix between the two really, few tracks with a CDJ and a few with Ableton. I use a few effects over the Ableton stuff but it's never overused. I'm still messing around with it all at the moment though.

3 years ago
philmassey
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after reading about what live can do i'm starting to wish I had got live instead of traktor & vci 100 munted May still get live, anyone want to buy a mackie control pro! laughing
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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It all depends on how you want to mix. Traktor is great, it's used by a lot of the big DJ's for that very reason. You have the ability to use 4 decks in that program and plenty of effects. If I wanted to give up my decks, I'd probably sway more to that piece of software. However, Ableton offers me exactly what I need at the moment.
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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In reply to
wHEN i work with acapellas, I run the metronome and the accapella, then using "complex" warp, adjust the "accentuated" words (eg: rap rhymes) so that it fits with the kick (metronome).. I hope that makes sense?!!

Ok, I get that. I'll have a bash at that later. Oh and if anyone is up for it, I have a couple of tracks I just can't warp. Anyone fancy having a go for me? 
3 years ago
Nick Page
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PM me the link Jon an ill have a go, ive only just worked out most of it myself... when it comes to changing in BPM though, i havent got a clue.

 

Ive spent hours warping tunes only to find ive only made them worse laughing Yesterday I watched a video though (and ive watched loads which didnt help), an its all starting to come together!

 

The videos here if ya aint seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP9NqBvgptM

3 years ago
DOT
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In reply to
In reply to
wHEN i work with acapellas, I run the metronome and the accapella, then using "complex" warp, adjust the "accentuated" words (eg: rap rhymes) so that it fits with the kick (metronome).. I hope that makes sense?!!

Ok, I get that. I'll have a bash at that later. Oh and if anyone is up for it, I have a couple of tracks I just can't warp. Anyone fancy having a go for me? 


evilevilevil
3 years ago
Nick Page
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Music Style Hard House

find the video any good? I found it better to work with the transients rather than making warp markers.. dont know how it works but seems to work for me. Used to be able to warp every other 1 but aint failed so far.

 

Probably find it difficult with diff bpm's and time signatures tho..

3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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The video is using Live 8, I'm on 7 mate so the transients means nowt to me. I can warp absolutely perfectly but these tunes I'm trying have like 2 min intro's with no beats and unusual structures etc...
3 years ago
DOT
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Upload so we can have a look biggrin
3 years ago
DOT
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I can warp absolutely perfectly but these tunes I'm trying have like 2 min intro's with no beats and unusual structures etc...


Finished both of em now. I need full download speed for the next few hours so I'll upload em later. The problem with one of them was, as you said, the beat structure. The kick drum started half-way through a bar which in Ableton is a no no as clips are triggered at the ends of the bars. All I did was warp it as normal then chopped half a bar out from somewhere where you couldn't really notice.

The other track (Redemption) warped fine, took me about 1 minute. I think some people get threw by long intros. There's no need to warp every 32 beats or however some people do it. Lay down the first warp marker and if it has a 2 minute intro locate the first beat and warp that. The rest of the track slotted right in then. I moved about 3 other markers between the first kick and the last and only by very small amounts.

Post edited by owner 9/15/2009 2:08:22 PM
3 years ago
metamorphose
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after a while you will manage to warp intros easysupercool
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Hey thanks Dot, really appreciate your help with those! Yeah it's a learning curve really. The more I do, the more I'll figure out little tricks. I've warped about 200 of my tracks so far and plenty more to go yet, so I'm sure I will pick it up soon enough. Seeing your warp markers will help loads though Dot, thanks again!
3 years ago
metamorphose
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In reply to
Hey thanks Dot, really appreciate your help with those! Yeah it's a learning curve really. The more I do, the more I'll figure out little tricks. I've warped about 200 of my tracks so far and plenty more to go yet, so I'm sure I will pick it up soon enough. Seeing your warp markers will help loads though Dot, thanks again!

yeah i really struggled to start with buty soon got it sussedthumbsup
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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Have you got any tips or tricks to add to this thread mate?
3 years ago
metamorphose
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prob got a few mate but tried writing them and struggle to word them,still got loads to learn myself aswellthumbsup
3 years ago
Nick Page
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Music Style Hard House

http://www.cosm.co.nz/index.php?option=com_community&view=videos&catid=3

 

^^^ Plenty Of Ableton tutorial Vids, and project files to use and follow.

 

Also all the music he makes is free (loads of genres)

 

http://www.cosm.co.nz/ thumbsup

3 years ago
Jon Daniels
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EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
Yeah I've seen his vids. Very good. I've posted one in this thread :0) Well worth checking out to those who haven't seen how he uses Ableton! 

Post edited by owner 9/15/2009 9:12:40 PM
3 years ago
philmassey
philmassey Pic845 Posts
Birmingham
Music Style Hard
In reply to
Yeah I've seen his vids. Very good. I've posted one in this thread :0) Well worth checking out to those who haven't seen how he uses Ableton! 
thinking about maxing the credit card on a 4d and ableton biggrin 

Jon - How hard is it keeping ableton in sync with normal decks/cdj's? -  Probably would only do one or the other but just wondered if it possible to integrate the two.
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
Yeah it's possible, I've just about figured it out. The 4D sends a midi clock signal to ableton but there is a delay. You can set ableton to work with the delay to keep sync. Really though, the best method I've found is to beat match CD's into ableton. So if you start using ableton, switching to CD's is piss easy. The reverse is a bit more tricky because ableton syncs in bars. I've figured out that the first time I wanna mix ableton into CD"s, I have to have the global clock stopped and set to the first beat. Then I take off the global quantisation and start like a CD deck, then nudge it in sync. Once it's in, keep ableton running with a loop of some sort and it will stay locked throughout. It's pretty easy really. Oh and the 4D, I've just started using the dual layer midi function now, it's amazing! At the flick of a switch, I have double the amount of midi controls available to me! Can't recommend one enough!
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
Oh and haven't you just bought a VCI100?
3 years ago
philmassey
philmassey Pic845 Posts
Birmingham
Music Style Hard
yeah may see if I can return it - although it is really good with traktor.  There seems to be so much more that you can do with ableton though.  If I can't return it its no biggie, would probably keep the vci for traktor and just use the 4d with ableton.  

Will probably buy ableton first and map the vci-100 and have a good play about then get a 4D in a few months.  

like you said, traktor is good for more traditional style of mixing i.e beatmatching manually etc, where as ableton seems to allow more creativity with loops & fx.  Need to win the euromillions this Fridaylaughing
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
It's an expensive hobby for sure. Definitely buy ableton and have a really great play around with it before commiting yourself to buying a 4D.
3 years ago
philmassey
philmassey Pic845 Posts
Birmingham
Music Style Hard
jon, how do you map midi to select between tracks left and right?? I have managed to set up a control for scene selection.  Want to be able to highlight a clip for the loop function.

Also on your videos in the other thread, you said you use the bottom lightpipe button for playing tracks.  Do you have these assigned to individual slots e.g scene 1-track1, scene 1-track2.....

Only playing with the demo as its not coming until tomorrow now, but I can already tell I am gonna have some fun with this love 
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
Have you got the 4D already? 

 I have scene selection assigned to a continuous rotary encoder. That just moves the scene up or down. When you press the relevant play button, it'll play on that line if that makes sense? Oh and you can key map say numbers 1 and 2 to tracks left or right. Enter Key map mode, click on audio ch1 then press number 1 on the keypad, come out of Key map mode. Then everytime you press number 1, you'll see the plugins for channel 1. 

 Start a tune playing, enter midi map mode, click on the clip that's counting down the tune, then assign that to a button of some sort, exit map mode. Then everytime you play a tune, you can press that button to show the clips waveform. 

To set a loop function, have the clip waveform visible. Enter map mode, click the loop on / off in the clip, assign to a button. Then assign the start set point and end set point to 2 other buttons, exit map mode. 

On the 4D, you can set up the lightpipes to toggle on or off or stay perminantly on. Mine turn on and off. I've mapped those to the scene play command, not the individual clip play button. You know, next to the clip view you've assigned. It's tough to explain. Add me to MSN if you like mate, jondaniels at sky dot com.

Post edited by owner 9/17/2009 12:10:45 PM
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
What effects are you all using and how are you using them? I keep changing my setup so I'm forever changing them but I think I'll use mostly the Fade 2 Gray, Superlooper, Washed Out and the Flanger.
3 years ago
philmassey
philmassey Pic845 Posts
Birmingham
Music Style Hard
In reply to
What effects are you all using and how are you using them? I keep changing my setup so I'm forever changing them but I think I'll use mostly the Fade 2 Gray, Superlooper, Washed Out and the Flanger.
hi jon - where are superlooper, fade 2 gray & washed out.  Are they not included with live 8.  cant find them anywhere.  
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
Fade 2 Gray should be in audio effects > Perfomance and DJ > Fade 2 Gray. The other two are downloads. Go here and download all these extra effect racks: http://www.abletonlivedj.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=31&func=select&id=6
3 years ago
Nick Page
nspark21 Pic1341 Posts
WalesSouth Wales
Music Style Hard House
cheers for these, didnt know about any of these racks or effects either thumbsup
3 years ago
philmassey
philmassey Pic845 Posts
Birmingham
Music Style Hard
How do you guys organise your tracks for DJing with Live.  I find the browser isn't very DJ friendly.

  At the moment I am making playlists in iTunes which are like a virtual record box e.g house playlist has all my house tunes etc, then I drag them into the session view from iTunes.

Also a good tip for I am using for warping is to make a midi tracks of a kick & hi hat which I loop along when warping instead of the metronome.  Finding it more accurate that way, as thats what i'm used to hearing when djing. 
3 years ago
DOT
dot Pic1877 Posts
In reply to
At the moment I am making playlists in iTunes which are like a virtual record box e.g house playlist has all my house tunes etc, then I drag them into the session view from iTunes.

Also a good tip for I am using for warping is to make a midi tracks of a kick & hi hat which I loop along when warping instead of the metronome.  Finding it more accurate that way, as thats what i'm used to hearing when djing. 


You could use the Session View slots as your record box. If you have a rough idea of what you want to play then drag them to the slots. Then when you want to play one drag it to the top slot and trigger it. Or if you're lucky to have an APC40 you can leave them where they are and trigger them by moving the clip launch buttons to where they are.

I always warp against a kickdrum as well. Just a simple kick loop on an audio track.
3 years ago
philmassey
philmassey Pic845 Posts
Birmingham
Music Style Hard
nice! although I have my 4D setup now so that the buttons below the faders lauch seperate clips, so I can quickly jump between certain parts of tunes so its a similar setup.  Too many new things I can't afford laughing
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
Haha, I'm the same mate but for gigs, I'm gonna have to look at an alternative to the 4D. Oh and I have my main light pipes for playing clips and just use an encoder to select the scene to launch. Free's up all those buttons for effects then smile
3 years ago
fraizor
4 Posts
hi, 

can you eplain me how it's possible to get the DJM 800 Effects into Ableton Live ?

When i'm recording my mixes and using the DJM 800 Effects, any effect sounds in the mix ?_?

I want to run my DJM 800 Effects into Ableton Live, when i'm recording the djm 800 effects doesn't sound.

I have plug RCA from Rec out or Master 2 (djm800) to my sound card 1/2 Input(Konnekt 24D)

DJM 800 SETP UP : 

CH1&4: CDJ 1000 MK3
CH2&3: Ableton Live

Ableton Live SET UP:

CH1
Audio From: Ext In 1/2
Audio To : "DJM-800 CH3" on Ableton
Monitor: Auto

"DJM-800 CH3"
Audio From: CH1
Audio To : Master
Monitor: In

Tell me what is wrong, the only thing I want is to sound my DJM 800 effect when i'm recording my tracks on Ableton.

Thanks
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
The problem lies with how you've routed from the DJM800 into your soundcard. You need to route it like this:

DJM CH2 (select digital line audio signal)
Route RCA from DJM CH2 (Line In) > Soundcard CH1/2.
In Ableton CH1, set channel to send audio to Soundcard CH1/2.

DJM CH3 (select digital line audio signal)
Route RCA from DJM CH3 (Line In) > Soundcard CH3/4
In Abelton CH2, set channel to send audio to soundcard CH3/4.

Your master output should be sent to an amp/speakers using an RCA.

Now, you sound have signals from Ableton channels 1 & 2 being routed through the DJM channels 2 & 3. To overlay a DJM effect on the ableton channel, just select the channel on the effects section of the mixer.
3 years ago
fraizor
4 Posts
You just say how I have set up my mixer combined to Ableton &  CDJs at this time ^^^^

But my real problem is when I record my mixes with the set up you mentionned before, the effects of the DJM are not recorded into Ableton, so it sounds not pretty good :/ I want to use in my rec the "Sound Color FX" and the "Beat Effects" of the DJM 800 Mixer !
Show me how I have plug/map the mixer with the soundcard/ableton please tosser

Thanks, Fraizor


3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
In reply to
me how I have plug/map the mixer with the soundcard/ableton please tosser
I'll overlook your use of that smiley laughing
You need to be clear on how you are recording your set. Are you recording it in Ableton itself? If so, why? Surely if you are, you are not picking up audio from your CDJ's. Anyway, in which case, you will not be able to send the DJM effects into Ableton, you can only record those effects from the external out from that DJM mixer. You will have to output your REC OUT from the DJM into your Line In on PC/Soundcard and use another application, for example Soundforge or Audacity, select the recording source as Soundcard Line In and then set it to record. This is the only way to pick up all 4 audio channels and utilise the effects of the DJM.
3 years ago
fraizor
4 Posts
Ok thanks a lot for thoose informations  biggrin , I'll download Audacity then, but i've got one question:

Is it possible to sync Ableton & Audacity to record the mixes whith the effect of the DJM & thoose of Ableton too ?


3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
All output from the DJM800 REC OUT feeds into a Line In, routed into a recording software package. All audio going through the DJM will be recorded. That includes all Ableton effects being laid over Ableton channels and also DJM effects being used over all the DJM stereo channels.
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
Oh and I'd also set up your send and return into Ableton so you can use your ableton effects to lay over your CDJ channels.
3 years ago
fraizor
4 Posts
hi, I download Audacity, I plug my DJM 800 REC OUT to Line in of my SoundCard and when i'm recording, the DJM 800 effects doesn't sound in my mixes : o) what's the problem ? Thanks to reply fast, I want to work on my songs my friends :p Fraizor
3 years ago
Jon Daniels
jondaniels Pic11657 Posts
EnglandMidlands
Music Style Klik Klik Whirly Beep Beep.
it must be something you're doing wrong on the mixer then as it's all hooked up correctly now, god knows what though. Perhaps take a few pictures of your set up, like how it's all wired up and a close up of the front of the mixer etc. Then put them up here for me to see.
2 years ago
Nick Page
nspark21 Pic1341 Posts
WalesSouth Wales
Music Style Hard House
mite be obvious to some people but any1 have any ideas on how to pan a track without an LFO? In other words i dont want to auto pan a track, i just want to pan 1 track hard left and the other hard right uhoh
2 years ago
Nick Page
nspark21 Pic1341 Posts
WalesSouth Wales
Music Style Hard House
rolleyes my fault, couldnt see the pan as i was working in arrangement mode, just worked out its in session laughing
2 years ago
Tyronnster
Tyronnster Pic293 Posts
ScotlandInverness
Music Style Hardstyle
I am using Traktor scratch pro with an Audio 8 soundcard,

I want to route the audio from Traktor in to Ableton then back out to my djm800,... See More

My reason for this is i want to use the efx and samples from ableton but continue to use my normal mixer

I am slightly more forward,

I can see what I think is the music playing in ableton from traktor, Should I see wave forms?

also the output from ableton does that have to go back to the output channel on my audio 8 sound card,

Then does this plug back in the back of my djm800

Thanx
2 years ago
Adam_k
woodroski Pic3381 Posts
United Arab EmiratesDubai
Music Style DIRT!!!!
I got my copy of ableton 8 the other day. I am a complete dunce with it at the moment as never used it before but have to say I really like the lay out. My plan was to use it for mixing but I may even convert from cubase to this for production as it seems like a very logical program.

anyway,

I am yet to get a midi controller but had a question before I pay out money for one. Am i best to get a mixer such as the DJM800 to control it or a stand alone midi unit such as this: http://www.ableton.com/apc40 

 whats the pros and cons with each????

Post edited by owner 14/05/2010 16:05:54
2 years ago
BoneIDOL
WRONGONE Pic708 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Jazzy Gabba with a hint country \o/
In reply to
I got my copy of ableton 8 the other day. I am a complete dunce with it at the moment as never used it before but have to say I really like the lay out. My plan was to use it for mixing but I may even convert from cubase to this for production as it seems like a very logical program.

anyway,

I am yet to get a midi controller but had a question before I pay out money for one. Am i best to get a mixer such as the DJM800 to control it or a stand alone midi unit such as this: http://www.ableton.com/apc40 

 whats the pros and cons with each????

 

 

I use ableton for my productions and much prefer it over cubase

Got myself a akai apc20 last week and have to say that I am loving it, for my fx' I have set up a dummy channel and that works a treat, it's pre mapped what was great to start with but now I started to re-map it to suit me and it's piss easy to dosupercool

2 years ago
Adam_k
woodroski Pic3381 Posts
United Arab EmiratesDubai
Music Style DIRT!!!!
think I mkay shell out on the apc40 then. Anyone had any experience with it?
2 years ago
jackyang
1 Posts
find the video any good? I found it better to work with the transients rather than making warp markers.. dont know how it works but seems to work for me. Used to be able to warp every other 1 but aint failed so far.
1 years ago
270127348
8 Posts
Some dance music in the audition site?
1 years ago
270127348
8 Posts
Some dance music in the audition site?
Trouble is introduced downside?
3 months ago
JayBee
jaybee Pic2174 Posts
Scotland
Music Style Funky Hard House
Thinking of buying ableton live & a APC40....any advice on which version od ableton i should be buying?dunce

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